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		<title>By: Forest Fire Myths (Part IV) &#171; John Jacob H&#8217;s RKBA Commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forest Fire Myths (Part IV) &#171; John Jacob H&#8217;s RKBA Commentary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Place ur bets. I&#039;m guessing UAH will come in at .23 C positive anomaly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Place ur bets. I&#8217;m guessing UAH will come in at .23 C positive anomaly.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT, I expect the July numbers to be &#039;disappointing&#039;. I check AMSU every day and the temps since the middle of July have been a bit warmer than 2007.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, I expect the July numbers to be &#8216;disappointing&#8217;. I check AMSU every day and the temps since the middle of July have been a bit warmer than 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Annonson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Annonson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In northern Minnesota, during the early 1930&#039;s, there was a huge underground fire that burned many square miles of a peat formation.  I was pretty young at the time but I remember my dad had to rebuild roads that had caved in where the fire had undercut them.  

I&#039;ed like to see the July numbers too.

I keep praying that a blizzard hits DC in early January and lasts long enough tha the new congress can&#039;t convene and the inauguration has to be postponed for a few weeks.  Maybe then we won&#039;t get that cap and trade BS.  I&#039;ed hate to have my boys have to go to India or China to get a new job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In northern Minnesota, during the early 1930&#8242;s, there was a huge underground fire that burned many square miles of a peat formation.  I was pretty young at the time but I remember my dad had to rebuild roads that had caved in where the fire had undercut them.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ed like to see the July numbers too.</p>
<p>I keep praying that a blizzard hits DC in early January and lasts long enough tha the new congress can&#8217;t convene and the inauguration has to be postponed for a few weeks.  Maybe then we won&#8217;t get that cap and trade BS.  I&#8217;ed hate to have my boys have to go to India or China to get a new job.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing up in northeast Ohio, there were places in our neighborhood that every pyromaniac kid [ie, all the boys] knew about, where you could throw down a lit match and the natural gas seepage would ignite.

It would keep burning [a low flame, about like a gas oven on High] until the wind or rain put it out. Sometimes the flares were bigger and the fire department had to be called. They would blast the flare with CO2 until it went out. With actual CO2! O the humanity!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in northeast Ohio, there were places in our neighborhood that every pyromaniac kid [ie, all the boys] knew about, where you could throw down a lit match and the natural gas seepage would ignite.</p>
<p>It would keep burning [a low flame, about like a gas oven on High] until the wind or rain put it out. Sometimes the flares were bigger and the fire department had to be called. They would blast the flare with CO2 until it went out. With actual CO2! O the humanity!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a fire underground from chemical waste in Avonmouth UK that burned for about 20 years and created a crater at the surface; it was eventually put out I believe. 

How much do natural leaks and vents contribute to global GHG? When I looked at global maps of SST variations it seemed from the fast-changing anomalies, that there was a lot of minor vulcanism.

Slightly OT, but - what about the methane supposedly outgassing from parts of Siberia so that you can light the ground with a match? Is that getting any worse or any better?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a fire underground from chemical waste in Avonmouth UK that burned for about 20 years and created a crater at the surface; it was eventually put out I believe. </p>
<p>How much do natural leaks and vents contribute to global GHG? When I looked at global maps of SST variations it seemed from the fast-changing anomalies, that there was a lot of minor vulcanism.</p>
<p>Slightly OT, but &#8211; what about the methane supposedly outgassing from parts of Siberia so that you can light the ground with a match? Is that getting any worse or any better?</p>
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		<title>By: James S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure what the rock type in the area is but it sounds to me as something a little similar to Dorset&#039;s burning cliffs.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/kimfire.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what the rock type in the area is but it sounds to me as something a little similar to Dorset&#8217;s burning cliffs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/kimfire.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/kimfire.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Teach your children well.&#039;

Confessions of a Weather Weenie.

When I went to school-- I swore I would swallow my tongue before I ever said that phrase--but when I went to school, in seventh grade science class we had a unit on meteorology. If you paid attention, you came out knowing the layers of the atmosphere from the troposphere up; you knew the classification of clouds, cumulus, stratus, nimbus, and my perennial favorite, cumulo-nimbus. You learned about the Coriolis effect, and why hurricanes in the North Atlantic spin counter-clockwise (this was back in the late &#039;50&#039;s of the last century, when hurricanes hitting or at least threatening the northeast coastline from Virginia Beach to Kennebunkport were to late summer and early fall what blizzards were to winter

Since the powers that be are so serious about having children learn about atmospheric dynamics, I wonder whether we shall see in future an increasing emphasis on such basic knowledge. Or will it all be Al Gore Playstation fingerpainting with its upside down charts and backwards hurricanes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Teach your children well.&#8217;</p>
<p>Confessions of a Weather Weenie.</p>
<p>When I went to school&#8211; I swore I would swallow my tongue before I ever said that phrase&#8211;but when I went to school, in seventh grade science class we had a unit on meteorology. If you paid attention, you came out knowing the layers of the atmosphere from the troposphere up; you knew the classification of clouds, cumulus, stratus, nimbus, and my perennial favorite, cumulo-nimbus. You learned about the Coriolis effect, and why hurricanes in the North Atlantic spin counter-clockwise (this was back in the late &#8217;50&#8242;s of the last century, when hurricanes hitting or at least threatening the northeast coastline from Virginia Beach to Kennebunkport were to late summer and early fall what blizzards were to winter</p>
<p>Since the powers that be are so serious about having children learn about atmospheric dynamics, I wonder whether we shall see in future an increasing emphasis on such basic knowledge. Or will it all be Al Gore Playstation fingerpainting with its upside down charts and backwards hurricanes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jewett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Jewett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin 

In order to SAVE THE EARTH, we should nominate Bush/Chaney to a third term!  The Constitution is just a trivial nuisance if we really want to make a difference.  I have read that the Bush/Chaney administration has made the USA number 2 in the world, just behind France, in reducing CO2 emissions.  But then the French are so much more nuanced, advanced and sophisticated than us:  they get some 70% of their electricity from nuclear power and they even recycle their used nuclear fuel!  (That putz Jimmy Carter outlawed recycling of used fuel.)

If reducing CO2 is important, Bush/Chaney are the ones that have proven that they can do it.  As they say on the docks in New Jersey:  Money talks and BS walks.  (I.e. Actions are more important than promises.)

Regards

Steamboat Jack

File under sarcasm and irony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre Gosselin </p>
<p>In order to SAVE THE EARTH, we should nominate Bush/Chaney to a third term!  The Constitution is just a trivial nuisance if we really want to make a difference.  I have read that the Bush/Chaney administration has made the USA number 2 in the world, just behind France, in reducing CO2 emissions.  But then the French are so much more nuanced, advanced and sophisticated than us:  they get some 70% of their electricity from nuclear power and they even recycle their used nuclear fuel!  (That putz Jimmy Carter outlawed recycling of used fuel.)</p>
<p>If reducing CO2 is important, Bush/Chaney are the ones that have proven that they can do it.  As they say on the docks in New Jersey:  Money talks and BS walks.  (I.e. Actions are more important than promises.)</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Steamboat Jack</p>
<p>File under sarcasm and irony</p>
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		<title>By: counters</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[counters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hold up on that suggestion to feature FloodSim made by Tom, Mr. Watts. If you check out the floodsim.com webpage, there is only a single reference to climate change, and that&#039;s on the &quot;Norwich Union&quot; page which highlights the purpose behind the game quite clearly: 

&lt;i&gt;Norwich Union has developed this innovative project with PlayGen to help raise awareness of the flooding issue.

The 2007 floods cost the UK’s insurance industry approximately £3 billion, and thanks to climate change, the chances of similar floods occurring are higher than ever before.

As the UK’s largest insurer, flooding is a big issue for both Norwich Union and millions of our customers. For this reason, we work hard with the Government and many other organisations to keep flooding at the top of the political agenda.

By working in partnership with a variety of organisations, representing a number of different interests and policy areas, we can ensure that our concerns and those of our customers are widely known. &lt;/i&gt;

In other words, while one could construe climate change as a possible cause of flooding, this game is merely to raise awareness to an important issue which affects the citizens of the UK. Perhaps if a similar game was published to illustrate the dangers of what could happen should the New Orleans levees be breached in a storm, more citizens would have been willing to evacuate - but that is a tangential, moot point. 

The bottom line is that once again, this has &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; to do with &quot;propaganda for the kids.&quot; It&#039;s a game whose premise is manufactured to raise awareness about the dangers and reality of flooding. It isn&#039;t even directly associated with global warming. Flooding is one of the most dangerous killers in meteorology and one of the most costliest as well; this game is merely meant to raise awareness of this fact and educate its players that there are most definitely reasonable and effective means available to safeguard against the loss of property and life should one ever be unfortunate enough to be caught in a flood.


Let&#039;s be rational, Tom, and not try to link everything to some conspiracy to brainwash people into believing global warming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold up on that suggestion to feature FloodSim made by Tom, Mr. Watts. If you check out the floodsim.com webpage, there is only a single reference to climate change, and that&#8217;s on the &#8220;Norwich Union&#8221; page which highlights the purpose behind the game quite clearly: </p>
<p><i>Norwich Union has developed this innovative project with PlayGen to help raise awareness of the flooding issue.</p>
<p>The 2007 floods cost the UK’s insurance industry approximately £3 billion, and thanks to climate change, the chances of similar floods occurring are higher than ever before.</p>
<p>As the UK’s largest insurer, flooding is a big issue for both Norwich Union and millions of our customers. For this reason, we work hard with the Government and many other organisations to keep flooding at the top of the political agenda.</p>
<p>By working in partnership with a variety of organisations, representing a number of different interests and policy areas, we can ensure that our concerns and those of our customers are widely known. </i></p>
<p>In other words, while one could construe climate change as a possible cause of flooding, this game is merely to raise awareness to an important issue which affects the citizens of the UK. Perhaps if a similar game was published to illustrate the dangers of what could happen should the New Orleans levees be breached in a storm, more citizens would have been willing to evacuate &#8211; but that is a tangential, moot point. </p>
<p>The bottom line is that once again, this has <i>nothing</i> to do with &#8220;propaganda for the kids.&#8221; It&#8217;s a game whose premise is manufactured to raise awareness about the dangers and reality of flooding. It isn&#8217;t even directly associated with global warming. Flooding is one of the most dangerous killers in meteorology and one of the most costliest as well; this game is merely meant to raise awareness of this fact and educate its players that there are most definitely reasonable and effective means available to safeguard against the loss of property and life should one ever be unfortunate enough to be caught in a flood.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be rational, Tom, and not try to link everything to some conspiracy to brainwash people into believing global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BarryW and Bud the Chud,

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BarryW and Bud the Chud,</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard deSousa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard deSousa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do I hear the &quot;Twilight Zone&quot; theme in the background?...  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I hear the &#8220;Twilight Zone&#8221; theme in the background?&#8230;  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom in Texas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony;

If you haven&#039;t seen this new game yet, check it out.  It&#039;s called floodsim.
London under water.  More propaganda for the kids.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/05/eagame105.xml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony;</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen this new game yet, check it out.  It&#8217;s called floodsim.<br />
London under water.  More propaganda for the kids.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/05/eagame105.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/05/eagame105.xml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pops</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pops]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you sure Al Gore wasn&#039;t making a speech in the area?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure Al Gore wasn&#8217;t making a speech in the area?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just having some fun at 
http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/06/light-truck-sales-drop-25-in-july-toyota-screws-up/#comment-17320

Looking at the CO2 emissions globally, Bush/Cheney are among the few worldwide who have managed to REDUCE CO2 emissions.

Gore/Clinton USA CO2 emissions 
1993: 5.6 billion tonnes CO2
2000: over 6.3 billion
Rate of increase: approx 900 million tonnes per annum

Cheney/Bush
2001: 6.3 billion tonnes
2006: 6.5 billion tonnes
Rate of increase: approx 40 million tonnes per year

CO2 emissions growth during the Gore/Clinton years was more than 20 times more than Bush/Cheney.

During the Bush years, CO2 emissions indeed began to fall.
I’ll leave it up to you on what to conclude from all this. 

Source: 
http://www.iwr.de/klima/ausstoss_welt.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just having some fun at<br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/06/light-truck-sales-drop-25-in-july-toyota-screws-up/#comment-17320" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2008/08/06/light-truck-sales-drop-25-in-july-toyota-screws-up/#comment-17320</a></p>
<p>Looking at the CO2 emissions globally, Bush/Cheney are among the few worldwide who have managed to REDUCE CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>Gore/Clinton USA CO2 emissions<br />
1993: 5.6 billion tonnes CO2<br />
2000: over 6.3 billion<br />
Rate of increase: approx 900 million tonnes per annum</p>
<p>Cheney/Bush<br />
2001: 6.3 billion tonnes<br />
2006: 6.5 billion tonnes<br />
Rate of increase: approx 40 million tonnes per year</p>
<p>CO2 emissions growth during the Gore/Clinton years was more than 20 times more than Bush/Cheney.</p>
<p>During the Bush years, CO2 emissions indeed began to fall.<br />
I’ll leave it up to you on what to conclude from all this. </p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.iwr.de/klima/ausstoss_welt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iwr.de/klima/ausstoss_welt.html</a></p>
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