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		<title>By: Justin Horrocks</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-42643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Horrocks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thank you everyone for the free publicity and links to my portfolio!  For those of you who understand what royalty-free stock imagery is, you can find thousands more great images in my porfolio.  Please visit http://www.istockphoto.com/jhorrocks.  Thank you and have a great day!  :)

&lt;strong&gt;Reply: &lt;/strong&gt;Don&#039;t thank us, thank the NCDC!

Other moderators...I de-spammed this comment because it is Justin&#039;s photo that is the topic of this post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you everyone for the free publicity and links to my portfolio!  For those of you who understand what royalty-free stock imagery is, you can find thousands more great images in my porfolio.  Please visit <a href="http://www.istockphoto.com/jhorrocks" rel="nofollow">http://www.istockphoto.com/jhorrocks</a>.  Thank you and have a great day!  :)</p>
<p><strong>Reply: </strong>Don&#8217;t thank us, thank the NCDC!</p>
<p>Other moderators&#8230;I de-spammed this comment because it is Justin&#8217;s photo that is the topic of this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptics win one! NOAA pulls the CCSP report &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-32801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skeptics win one! NOAA pulls the CCSP report &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] after that, we had a post outlining how NCDC had used a photoshopped image to illustrate flooding. Something of a no-no in  &#8220;science&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Checking the masthead, I see this is your blog, Anthony.  If your readers aren&#039;t interested in the stuff, why did you post it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Checking the masthead, I see this is your blog, Anthony.  If your readers aren&#8217;t interested in the stuff, why did you post it?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, feel free to explain what the significance of using a stock photo is in a report like this.  You&#039;ve been in the position of having to find an illustration, surely, and one that you can get the rights to duplicate.  Since the photo only purports to show a flooded house, since it makes no difference -- what is the significance of using a stock photo?

Sorry I missed it in the original post -- I don&#039;t think you said why it&#039;s significant, did you?

While you&#039;re at it, you might try to explain the significance of the Mars stuff, too.  I had assumed you were aware that Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and others got these briefings from NASA as standard operating procedures.  OF course, they were all intelligent, engaged people who were genuinely interested in the space program.  

The question is why Bush didn&#039;t get it.  But that&#039;s not what you highlighted.

So tell us - what is the significance of Bush sending a proxy to get his information when past presidents have done it themselves as a point of national pride?  

Both posts are trivial, IMHO.  You&#039;re getting different mileage?  Tell us how.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Well I suppose the concerns you raise are equally significant to posts about Millard Fillmore. Prove to me that 1) Bush specifically &lt;i&gt;sent&lt;/i&gt; a proxy, instead of the process being normal chain of information handling, i.e., show that he consciously ignored it, told somebody else to handle it, and doesn&#039;t know anything about it, and 2) Fabrications aside, why it&#039;s OK to put loads of carefully chosen disaster photos that are mostly emotional in nature into a report on science that should be factual, not emotional.

Then I&#039;ll consider it worth my time to respond further. Otherwise I think you are simply harping on things that only interest you, and not the majority of readers here. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, feel free to explain what the significance of using a stock photo is in a report like this.  You&#8217;ve been in the position of having to find an illustration, surely, and one that you can get the rights to duplicate.  Since the photo only purports to show a flooded house, since it makes no difference &#8212; what is the significance of using a stock photo?</p>
<p>Sorry I missed it in the original post &#8212; I don&#8217;t think you said why it&#8217;s significant, did you?</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re at it, you might try to explain the significance of the Mars stuff, too.  I had assumed you were aware that Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and others got these briefings from NASA as standard operating procedures.  OF course, they were all intelligent, engaged people who were genuinely interested in the space program.  </p>
<p>The question is why Bush didn&#8217;t get it.  But that&#8217;s not what you highlighted.</p>
<p>So tell us &#8211; what is the significance of Bush sending a proxy to get his information when past presidents have done it themselves as a point of national pride?  </p>
<p>Both posts are trivial, IMHO.  You&#8217;re getting different mileage?  Tell us how.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Well I suppose the concerns you raise are equally significant to posts about Millard Fillmore. Prove to me that 1) Bush specifically <i>sent</i> a proxy, instead of the process being normal chain of information handling, i.e., show that he consciously ignored it, told somebody else to handle it, and doesn&#8217;t know anything about it, and 2) Fabrications aside, why it&#8217;s OK to put loads of carefully chosen disaster photos that are mostly emotional in nature into a report on science that should be factual, not emotional.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;ll consider it worth my time to respond further. Otherwise I think you are simply harping on things that only interest you, and not the majority of readers here. </p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;He’s dead wrong, of course, in almost every particular , like all these populist pessimists...&quot;  Evan

Maybe in his pessimism but there is something wrong in our economic system.  It isn&#039;t the free market, it isn&#039;t honest greed, it isn&#039;t just Congress.   It is the Fed and your local neighborhood, &quot;respectable&quot; member of the government-backed banking cartel.

&quot;Respectable&quot;, hah!   The only difference between them and counterfeiters is they are legal and don&#039;t require a printing press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He’s dead wrong, of course, in almost every particular , like all these populist pessimists&#8230;&#8221;  Evan</p>
<p>Maybe in his pessimism but there is something wrong in our economic system.  It isn&#8217;t the free market, it isn&#8217;t honest greed, it isn&#8217;t just Congress.   It is the Fed and your local neighborhood, &#8220;respectable&#8221; member of the government-backed banking cartel.</p>
<p>&#8220;Respectable&#8221;, hah!   The only difference between them and counterfeiters is they are legal and don&#8217;t require a printing press.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sad part is it isn&#039;t fraudulent in the legal sense. The paper points toward its sources. The use of a graphic is not out of line for a Report to Congress. Think of it as a giant PowerPoint presentation.  The paper isn&#039;t meant to be a scientific treatise. It&#039;s more like the IPCC Summary for Policy Makers.

The photoshopped flood scene was likely chosen because it was easier to obtain and license than an actual photo.

The part that&#039;s frustrating is the repetition of AGW vs. GW theme. Without looking I&#039;m quite sure that viewpoint can be derived from many of the referenced papers, many of which blithely state or assume AGW as fact.

This paper, just like the IPCC SPM, is going to be a real nuisance. Unfortunately, not much can be done about it. The authoring board can likely defend it six ways from Sunday. The best anyone can do is point to the likely bias in the text. The fact that they used a graphic instead of an actual photo is pretty much beside the point . The point, of course, is the bias of &lt;i&gt;more flooding from AGW&lt;/i&gt; message, more specifically, the &lt;i&gt;AGW&lt;/i&gt; part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part is it isn&#8217;t fraudulent in the legal sense. The paper points toward its sources. The use of a graphic is not out of line for a Report to Congress. Think of it as a giant PowerPoint presentation.  The paper isn&#8217;t meant to be a scientific treatise. It&#8217;s more like the IPCC Summary for Policy Makers.</p>
<p>The photoshopped flood scene was likely chosen because it was easier to obtain and license than an actual photo.</p>
<p>The part that&#8217;s frustrating is the repetition of AGW vs. GW theme. Without looking I&#8217;m quite sure that viewpoint can be derived from many of the referenced papers, many of which blithely state or assume AGW as fact.</p>
<p>This paper, just like the IPCC SPM, is going to be a real nuisance. Unfortunately, not much can be done about it. The authoring board can likely defend it six ways from Sunday. The best anyone can do is point to the likely bias in the text. The fact that they used a graphic instead of an actual photo is pretty much beside the point . The point, of course, is the bias of <i>more flooding from AGW</i> message, more specifically, the <i>AGW</i> part.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if they&#039;d shown a real flooded house, you&#039;d have complained they were capitalizing on the woes of whoever owned the house.  

Can there be a more trivial complaint?  How about the paper stock the thing was printed on?  The font?  The background color for the graphic text box?  It was basically green -- what sort of message was that supposed to imply?

Some would pray that God should make climate skeptics look silly and trivial, but it would too often be a superfluous prayer.

How about that photo on your masthead, Anthony -- is it yours?

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; No it&#039;s not mine, but it&#039;s also not &quot;fabricated&quot; to illustrate a point. It is a photograph of earth&#039;s atmosphere seen from the International Space Station, publicly funded, and thus public domain.

&quot;Can there be a more trivial complaint?  How about the paper stock the thing was printed on?&quot; Ed, there&#039;s no printing of this, it is an electronic draft. 

Actually yes, I think there could be a more trivial complaint; your complaining about Bush and the Mars announcement on the other thread comes to mind. If you have something of value to say that is factually based, say it, otherwise if you just want to rant about how silly and trivial we are, there&#039;s other blogs for that.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if they&#8217;d shown a real flooded house, you&#8217;d have complained they were capitalizing on the woes of whoever owned the house.  </p>
<p>Can there be a more trivial complaint?  How about the paper stock the thing was printed on?  The font?  The background color for the graphic text box?  It was basically green &#8212; what sort of message was that supposed to imply?</p>
<p>Some would pray that God should make climate skeptics look silly and trivial, but it would too often be a superfluous prayer.</p>
<p>How about that photo on your masthead, Anthony &#8212; is it yours?</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> No it&#8217;s not mine, but it&#8217;s also not &#8220;fabricated&#8221; to illustrate a point. It is a photograph of earth&#8217;s atmosphere seen from the International Space Station, publicly funded, and thus public domain.</p>
<p>&#8220;Can there be a more trivial complaint?  How about the paper stock the thing was printed on?&#8221; Ed, there&#8217;s no printing of this, it is an electronic draft. </p>
<p>Actually yes, I think there could be a more trivial complaint; your complaining about Bush and the Mars announcement on the other thread comes to mind. If you have something of value to say that is factually based, say it, otherwise if you just want to rant about how silly and trivial we are, there&#8217;s other blogs for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Florida</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom in Florida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug:&quot;Thankfully, the Republic makes it possible for a minority to block the majority. That’s what the Founding Dads intended &quot;

Exactly, they knew that democracy will always fail as soon as the majority realize they can vote themselves all of the minority&#039;s money and property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:&#8221;Thankfully, the Republic makes it possible for a minority to block the majority. That’s what the Founding Dads intended &#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, they knew that democracy will always fail as soon as the majority realize they can vote themselves all of the minority&#8217;s money and property.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Statepoet: He&#039;s very funny.

He&#039;s dead wrong, of course, in almost every particular , like all these populist pessimists (if he thinks real wages haven&#039;t risen since 1968 he is smoking something better than I am).

But he is funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statepoet: He&#8217;s very funny.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s dead wrong, of course, in almost every particular , like all these populist pessimists (if he thinks real wages haven&#8217;t risen since 1968 he is smoking something better than I am).</p>
<p>But he is funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All in good time, all in good time.

Sometimes you have to let the gamebird hang for a bit. Acquire the desired odeur.

Like the man said, when your opponent is hurting himself, just get out of the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in good time, all in good time.</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to let the gamebird hang for a bit. Acquire the desired odeur.</p>
<p>Like the man said, when your opponent is hurting himself, just get out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Peden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Second, I think dubya would far rather shake his head sadly and watch Reid and Pelosi twist slowly in the wind (enjoying every minute of it). Besides, look at the effect it’s had on the recent polls.&lt;/i&gt;

Me, I&#039;d go for the valid and deserved kill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Second, I think dubya would far rather shake his head sadly and watch Reid and Pelosi twist slowly in the wind (enjoying every minute of it). Besides, look at the effect it’s had on the recent polls.</i></p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;d go for the valid and deserved kill.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan,

I&#039;ve read just about all the Don Marquis I could find on that site.  I particularly liked &quot;only thy dust ...&quot;.   Thanks a heap.  Here is a favorite of mine who never fails to entertain day after day.  He might be a bit of an acquired taste because he is so shockingly self-honest.  One can learn quite a bit about our monetary system while being greatly entertained.  Here is his latest:  

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/Writers/Mogambo/DREssays/MG080508.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read just about all the Don Marquis I could find on that site.  I particularly liked &#8220;only thy dust &#8230;&#8221;.   Thanks a heap.  Here is a favorite of mine who never fails to entertain day after day.  He might be a bit of an acquired taste because he is so shockingly self-honest.  One can learn quite a bit about our monetary system while being greatly entertained.  Here is his latest:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailyreckoning.com/Writers/Mogambo/DREssays/MG080508.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyreckoning.com/Writers/Mogambo/DREssays/MG080508.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Peden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The way most of you feel about Ford is a tribute to the incredible power of a vehemently hostile and dishonest, vicious press.&lt;/i&gt;

Back where I came from,  the people who constitute the current  &quot;press&quot; wouldn&#039;t have made it through First Grade. I&#039;m serious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The way most of you feel about Ford is a tribute to the incredible power of a vehemently hostile and dishonest, vicious press.</i></p>
<p>Back where I came from,  the people who constitute the current  &#8220;press&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t have made it through First Grade. I&#8217;m serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/04/ncdc-photoshopping-the-climate-change-report-for-better-impact/#comment-30032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;cryptosporidia and giardia are not bacteria… they are protozoa&lt;/cite&gt;

Your Protists fall on deaf ears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>cryptosporidia and giardia are not bacteria… they are protozoa</cite></p>
<p>Your Protists fall on deaf ears.</p>
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