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		<title>By: Web 2.0 tools are beginning to change the shape of scientific debate &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] representativity than the land based measurements such as that from the Mauna Loa Observatory. My writeup on AIRS here on July 31st 2008 indicated that they would have a published paper in 6-8 weeks for us to review. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ferdinand Engelbeen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you see there is the influence of the seasonal vegetation decay/uptake, especially in the NH for the month of July 2003 (and 2008). 
This is measured at the high altitude ground stations too: Mauna Loa and the South Pole (both at about 3,000 m) show the same seasonal variation as the satellites. Here a graph of monthly averages 2002-2004 for Mauna Loa and the South Pole, there is little variation in seasonal amplitude over the years. 

http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/month_2002_2004.jpg

For July 2003, the difference between Mauna Loa (20 N) and the South Pole (90 S) data is 3-4 ppmv. According to the satellite measurements, it is 3 ppmv
For May 2003, the difference between MLO and SPO data is 6-7 ppmv. According to the satellite: 4 ppmv
One need to take into account that the satellite measurements have a lower measurement accuracy , compared to the land based ones (+/- 0.1 ppmv)

The seasonal variations near level out if one takes the yearly averages. Only a (small) variation around the trend, mainly caused by (ocean) temperature variations remains.

See further the seasonal variation with altitude already known by Bert Bolin in 1970, which is only for the NH, as the SH shows far less variation (less land/vegetation):

http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_height.jpg

Caption: Figure 3:2 Amplitude and phase shift of seasonal variations in atmospheric CO2 at different altitudes, calculated from direct observations by harmonic analysis (Bolin and Bischof, 1970).

Does this support Beck&#039;s paper on historic CO2 measurements? No, most of the old measurements had an accuracy of +/- 3% = +/- 10 ppmv. Near all seasonal differences over the globe are within that range.

Further, as the AIRS people say:

&lt;i&gt;The big picture is that CO2 sources and sinks are in the planetary
boundary layer. Global circulation of CO2 occurs in the free
troposphere. Thus, PBL is local whereas free troposphere is
international.&lt;/i&gt;

Becks data are almost solely in the PBL, where a lot of sources and sinks are present (5% of the atmosphere) while the base stations (and now the satellites) measure either at ground level with a good mixing with the free troposphere, or in the mid-troposphere (representing 95% of the atmosphere).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you see there is the influence of the seasonal vegetation decay/uptake, especially in the NH for the month of July 2003 (and 2008).<br />
This is measured at the high altitude ground stations too: Mauna Loa and the South Pole (both at about 3,000 m) show the same seasonal variation as the satellites. Here a graph of monthly averages 2002-2004 for Mauna Loa and the South Pole, there is little variation in seasonal amplitude over the years. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/month_2002_2004.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/month_2002_2004.jpg</a></p>
<p>For July 2003, the difference between Mauna Loa (20 N) and the South Pole (90 S) data is 3-4 ppmv. According to the satellite measurements, it is 3 ppmv<br />
For May 2003, the difference between MLO and SPO data is 6-7 ppmv. According to the satellite: 4 ppmv<br />
One need to take into account that the satellite measurements have a lower measurement accuracy , compared to the land based ones (+/- 0.1 ppmv)</p>
<p>The seasonal variations near level out if one takes the yearly averages. Only a (small) variation around the trend, mainly caused by (ocean) temperature variations remains.</p>
<p>See further the seasonal variation with altitude already known by Bert Bolin in 1970, which is only for the NH, as the SH shows far less variation (less land/vegetation):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_height.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_height.jpg</a></p>
<p>Caption: Figure 3:2 Amplitude and phase shift of seasonal variations in atmospheric CO2 at different altitudes, calculated from direct observations by harmonic analysis (Bolin and Bischof, 1970).</p>
<p>Does this support Beck&#8217;s paper on historic CO2 measurements? No, most of the old measurements had an accuracy of +/- 3% = +/- 10 ppmv. Near all seasonal differences over the globe are within that range.</p>
<p>Further, as the AIRS people say:</p>
<p><i>The big picture is that CO2 sources and sinks are in the planetary<br />
boundary layer. Global circulation of CO2 occurs in the free<br />
troposphere. Thus, PBL is local whereas free troposphere is<br />
international.</i></p>
<p>Becks data are almost solely in the PBL, where a lot of sources and sinks are present (5% of the atmosphere) while the base stations (and now the satellites) measure either at ground level with a good mixing with the free troposphere, or in the mid-troposphere (representing 95% of the atmosphere).</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;DR:&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;As I read this again, does it lend support to Beck’s paper on CO2 measurements?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve been thinking the same thing. Dr. Beck&#039;s paper was attacked almost as viciously here as Viscount Monckton&#039;s. Based on that fact alone, I suspect that Beck&#039;s conclusions were pretty accurate.

&lt;b&gt;randomengineer&lt;/b&gt;, I&#039;ve found a generic rebuttal to the predictions of the Union of Concerned Scientists [and to climate alarmists in general]: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>DR:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>As I read this again, does it lend support to Beck’s paper on CO2 measurements?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking the same thing. Dr. Beck&#8217;s paper was attacked almost as viciously here as Viscount Monckton&#8217;s. Based on that fact alone, I suspect that Beck&#8217;s conclusions were pretty accurate.</p>
<p><b>randomengineer</b>, I&#8217;ve found a generic rebuttal to the predictions of the Union of Concerned Scientists [and to climate alarmists in general]: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">click</a></p>
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		<title>By: Comments thread - AIRS team satellite CO2 paper published &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I read this again, does it lend support to Beck&#039;s paper on CO2 measurements?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read this again, does it lend support to Beck&#8217;s paper on CO2 measurements?</p>
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		<title>By: droege</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[droege]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What part of within 3% is not well mixed?

What&#039;s the seasonal variation as measured at Mauna Loa?

What part of water vapor being the strongest greenhouse gas do you think the AGW crowd does&#039;t understand?

You have no case!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of within 3% is not well mixed?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the seasonal variation as measured at Mauna Loa?</p>
<p>What part of water vapor being the strongest greenhouse gas do you think the AGW crowd does&#8217;t understand?</p>
<p>You have no case!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mauna Loa CO2 Stumbles. July level lower than January. Preliminary of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mauna Loa CO2 Stumbles. July level lower than January. Preliminary of course.</p>
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		<title>By: old construction worker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[old construction worker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also noticed that the artic area was dark blue.  Since  &#039;This picture was constructed from images gathered over a one-month period during March 2000&#039; how was sunlight penetrating the atmosphere in the artic during the winter months?
Very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also noticed that the artic area was dark blue.  Since  &#8216;This picture was constructed from images gathered over a one-month period during March 2000&#8242; how was sunlight penetrating the atmosphere in the artic during the winter months?<br />
Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: old construction worker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[old construction worker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anna v (23:09:16)
This satellite image shows sunlight reflected from the earth back into space. Green and blue areas show light penetrating the atmosphere; white and beige indicate areas where light reflects back into space. 
The white or beige areas show sunlight reflecting from Africa’s Sahara Desert, as well as from high clouds over the tropical oceans, Amazonia, and tropical Africa. On the other hand, darker areas show sunlight penetrating the atmosphere in the cloud-free areas of the oceans. 

Very interesting.  I noticed that the southwest desert is in the dark area.  
I wonder why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anna v (23:09:16)<br />
This satellite image shows sunlight reflected from the earth back into space. Green and blue areas show light penetrating the atmosphere; white and beige indicate areas where light reflects back into space.<br />
The white or beige areas show sunlight reflecting from Africa’s Sahara Desert, as well as from high clouds over the tropical oceans, Amazonia, and tropical Africa. On the other hand, darker areas show sunlight penetrating the atmosphere in the cloud-free areas of the oceans. </p>
<p>Very interesting.  I noticed that the southwest desert is in the dark area.<br />
I wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[randomengineer,

While I think a few anti-missile weapons are necessary against accidental launches and the possibility of a nutty leader, any more than 20 or so might spark an arms race.  Besides, the most important thing to a politician is his LIFE.  Nuclear weapons can certainly threaten that.  Why do you think we have had no major wars since WWII where 50 million died.

&lt;i&gt;death&#039;s shadow

Takes a dreadful fear,
death&#039;s shadow here,
to still the dogs of war.
Our rulers dear
would send us there
and shed not many tears.
But let their lives be threatened
by say, a nuclear weapon,
and suddenly it is clear:
Peace ain&#039;t so bad after all.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>randomengineer,</p>
<p>While I think a few anti-missile weapons are necessary against accidental launches and the possibility of a nutty leader, any more than 20 or so might spark an arms race.  Besides, the most important thing to a politician is his LIFE.  Nuclear weapons can certainly threaten that.  Why do you think we have had no major wars since WWII where 50 million died.</p>
<p><i>death&#8217;s shadow</p>
<p>Takes a dreadful fear,<br />
death&#8217;s shadow here,<br />
to still the dogs of war.<br />
Our rulers dear<br />
would send us there<br />
and shed not many tears.<br />
But let their lives be threatened<br />
by say, a nuclear weapon,<br />
and suddenly it is clear:<br />
Peace ain&#8217;t so bad after all.</i><i></i></p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[here is the caption to the march 2000 albedo map

http://www.exploratorium.edu/climate/atmosphere/data2.html

&quot;Global Reflected Shortwave Solar Radiation - Shortwave radiation is visible light—in this case, sunlight. This satellite image shows sunlight reflected from the earth back into space. Green and blue areas show light penetrating the atmosphere; white and beige indicate areas where light reflects back into space. This picture was constructed from images gathered over a one-month period during March 2000. Source:CERES instrument team&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is the caption to the march 2000 albedo map</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exploratorium.edu/climate/atmosphere/data2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.exploratorium.edu/climate/atmosphere/data2.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Global Reflected Shortwave Solar Radiation &#8211; Shortwave radiation is visible light—in this case, sunlight. This satellite image shows sunlight reflected from the earth back into space. Green and blue areas show light penetrating the atmosphere; white and beige indicate areas where light reflects back into space. This picture was constructed from images gathered over a one-month period during March 2000. Source:CERES instrument team&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cohenite (16:49:05) :

&quot;anna; that link to albedo is not from 2000, but has been active since 2000;&quot;

The link may be active still, but the map shown has a caption that says it is from a month in 2000. I could not find any link to more recent maps.I will try again once the link works for me again, since it does not now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cohenite (16:49:05) :</p>
<p>&#8220;anna; that link to albedo is not from 2000, but has been active since 2000;&#8221;</p>
<p>The link may be active still, but the map shown has a caption that says it is from a month in 2000. I could not find any link to more recent maps.I will try again once the link works for me again, since it does not now.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pam,

Since you like nuts,  I feel I should warn you about rancid pecans.  Licking dirt would be preferable, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,</p>
<p>Since you like nuts,  I feel I should warn you about rancid pecans.  Licking dirt would be preferable, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: cohenite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cohenite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anna; that link to albedo is not from 2000, but has been active since 2000; the thing that interests me, as a matter of logic, is that regions of high albedo must perforce have less of a greenhouse effect since there is less localised receipt of incoming SW radiation; with less SW reaching the ground there must be less reradiated LW to be intercepted by whatever CO2 is &#039;well-mixed&#039; in the above atmosphere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anna; that link to albedo is not from 2000, but has been active since 2000; the thing that interests me, as a matter of logic, is that regions of high albedo must perforce have less of a greenhouse effect since there is less localised receipt of incoming SW radiation; with less SW reaching the ground there must be less reradiated LW to be intercepted by whatever CO2 is &#8216;well-mixed&#8217; in the above atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Huntwork</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Huntwork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(anna V) &quot;Was the proposal accepted?I checked your links. Any published results?

To my knowledge. this project was canceled in 2004.

That is why amature astronomers like myself are stepping in and doing the science that NASA should be doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(anna V) &#8220;Was the proposal accepted?I checked your links. Any published results?</p>
<p>To my knowledge. this project was canceled in 2004.</p>
<p>That is why amature astronomers like myself are stepping in and doing the science that NASA should be doing.</p>
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