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	<title>Comments on: Polar Ice Check &#8211; Still a lot of ice up there</title>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-34387</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have entered a solar minimun. It&#039;s going to get colder.... not warmer. It is an eleven year cycle and we are in the middle of the second year. Let&#039;s hope it does not get worse than 2.5 degrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have entered a solar minimun. It&#8217;s going to get colder&#8230;. not warmer. It is an eleven year cycle and we are in the middle of the second year. Let&#8217;s hope it does not get worse than 2.5 degrees.</p>
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		<title>By: deepslope</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-30610</link>
		<dc:creator>deepslope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>August 7-08 press release on work done from MV Polarstern in the northern Greenland Sea (between Svalbard and NE Greenland):

from Alfred Wegener Institute (AWI): http://idw-online.de/pages/de/news273425

a few excerpts, my abbreviated translation:

&quot;this year, there was an exceptional amount of ice - according to expedition leader Prof. Gerhard Kattner. The extent reached from the high North southward to 74 degrees latitude. The main objective of the research cruise was to check 17 moorings with instruments that monitor temperature, salinity and currents of the water masses. AWI has been carrying out these unique high-latitude investigations since 1999. Observed 2008 temperatures are slightly lower than 2006 measurements, and there are preliminary indications of a return of the pacific water mass signature, which has been absent since 2004&quot;

ulrich lobsiger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>August 7-08 press release on work done from MV Polarstern in the northern Greenland Sea (between Svalbard and NE Greenland):</p>
<p>from Alfred Wegener Institute (AWI): <a href="http://idw-online.de/pages/de/news273425" rel="nofollow">http://idw-online.de/pages/de/news273425</a></p>
<p>a few excerpts, my abbreviated translation:</p>
<p>&#8220;this year, there was an exceptional amount of ice &#8211; according to expedition leader Prof. Gerhard Kattner. The extent reached from the high North southward to 74 degrees latitude. The main objective of the research cruise was to check 17 moorings with instruments that monitor temperature, salinity and currents of the water masses. AWI has been carrying out these unique high-latitude investigations since 1999. Observed 2008 temperatures are slightly lower than 2006 measurements, and there are preliminary indications of a return of the pacific water mass signature, which has been absent since 2004&#8243;</p>
<p>ulrich lobsiger</p>
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		<title>By: JP Rourke</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-30142</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... oh, I&#039;m sorry, this is Abuse... no, you want 12A, next door&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; oh, I&#8217;m sorry, this is Abuse&#8230; no, you want 12A, next door&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keep</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29924</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No harm done, and apologies on my part if it seemed I was demeaning the blog. I know you have more important things to do than workout my sense of humour....too much Monty Python...&quot;Is this the right room for an argument....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No harm done, and apologies on my part if it seemed I was demeaning the blog. I know you have more important things to do than workout my sense of humour&#8230;.too much Monty Python&#8230;&#8221;Is this the right room for an argument&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keep</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the extra &#039;R&#039;, and I thought I&#039;s use the &#039;Z&#039; for you American users. But if you can tell me that Ice has attributes such as pain reception, concensual ability, communication, sorrow and regaining fortitude the maybe you can be taken seriously! Maybe anthropomorphizing,(or anthropomorphising) should have been cetaceousropomorphizing (is that a word? It is now!).
Just to clarify that while I do take this blog seriously, there are many that don&#039;t and Jeez&#039;s lament for baby ice I,m afraid does little to strengthen the cause, neither does your rather terse and pedantic reply. But then I get out of bed the wrong side a few times as well!

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;...neither does your rather terse and pedantic reply.&quot; That wasn&#039;t intentional, I was just baffled by the comment and trying to figure it out. I wasn&#039;t aware that you were commenting on &quot;jeez&quot;&#039;s comment instead of the main post, there was no indication. - Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the extra &#8216;R&#8217;, and I thought I&#8217;s use the &#8216;Z&#8217; for you American users. But if you can tell me that Ice has attributes such as pain reception, concensual ability, communication, sorrow and regaining fortitude the maybe you can be taken seriously! Maybe anthropomorphizing,(or anthropomorphising) should have been cetaceousropomorphizing (is that a word? It is now!).<br />
Just to clarify that while I do take this blog seriously, there are many that don&#8217;t and Jeez&#8217;s lament for baby ice I,m afraid does little to strengthen the cause, neither does your rather terse and pedantic reply. But then I get out of bed the wrong side a few times as well!</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> &#8220;&#8230;neither does your rather terse and pedantic reply.&#8221; That wasn&#8217;t intentional, I was just baffled by the comment and trying to figure it out. I wasn&#8217;t aware that you were commenting on &#8220;jeez&#8221;&#8217;s comment instead of the main post, there was no indication. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29892</link>
		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people like Nigel Calder are readers and take this site seriously, well, what does that say about the people who don&#039;t believe we are taken seriously. And make sure to tune in for the latest episode of &lt;a href=&quot;http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/baby-ice-fighting-for-its-life/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As the Ice Cap melts!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people like Nigel Calder are readers and take this site seriously, well, what does that say about the people who don&#8217;t believe we are taken seriously. And make sure to tune in for the latest episode of <a href="http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/baby-ice-fighting-for-its-life/" rel="nofollow">As the Ice Cap melts!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keep</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29858</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthropromorphizing ice, and you wonder why people don&#039;t take you seriously?!!

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;Anthropromorphizing&quot;? 

No word with that spelling. Did you mean this? (dictionary.com)

an·thro·po·mor·phize    [an-thruh-puh-mawr-fahyz] Pronunciation Key - 
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -phized, -phiz·ing.
to ascribe human form or attributes to (an animal, plant, material object, etc.).
Also, especially British, an·thro·po·mor·phise.

I don&#039;t see anyplace in my post where I &quot;ascribe human form or attributes to (an animal, plant, material object, etc.).&quot; Could you perhaps explain what you mean?

On being taken seriously; This forum had over 600,000 page views last month, so apparently there are a few people who do. - Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthropromorphizing ice, and you wonder why people don&#8217;t take you seriously?!!</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> &#8220;Anthropromorphizing&#8221;? </p>
<p>No word with that spelling. Did you mean this? (dictionary.com)</p>
<p>an·thro·po·mor·phize    [an-thruh-puh-mawr-fahyz] Pronunciation Key &#8211;<br />
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -phized, -phiz·ing.<br />
to ascribe human form or attributes to (an animal, plant, material object, etc.).<br />
Also, especially British, an·thro·po·mor·phise.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anyplace in my post where I &#8220;ascribe human form or attributes to (an animal, plant, material object, etc.).&#8221; Could you perhaps explain what you mean?</p>
<p>On being taken seriously; This forum had over 600,000 page views last month, so apparently there are a few people who do. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29777</link>
		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty-four long, grueling hours have passed and it is time to for that painful but necessary census of the unmelted—those last hardy remainders of the baby ice pod that still fights for its survival.

No sound is heard as the pod clusters together, communicating via touch who still lives and via absence those now wet souls who will be forever missed.

Seemingly sentient, the pod of baby ice stiffens, gaining resolve, bracing for the ongoing battle with the elements, and although it makes no sense, apparently leaning into the wind, as if gesturing, “bring it on!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty-four long, grueling hours have passed and it is time to for that painful but necessary census of the unmelted—those last hardy remainders of the baby ice pod that still fights for its survival.</p>
<p>No sound is heard as the pod clusters together, communicating via touch who still lives and via absence those now wet souls who will be forever missed.</p>
<p>Seemingly sentient, the pod of baby ice stiffens, gaining resolve, bracing for the ongoing battle with the elements, and although it makes no sense, apparently leaning into the wind, as if gesturing, “bring it on!”</p>
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		<title>By: An Inquirer</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29730</link>
		<dc:creator>An Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP Rourke:
You are to be commended for the gentle tone in your postings as you get across your message in an intellectually honest manner.
Nevertheless, if I was involved in strategic planning for a shipping company, I would analyze the AMO trend (and other oscillations) before recommending investments to ship across the Arctic Ocean.  
My understanding of AMO is that indeed it could remain in the positive mode until 2013, but it could be a foolish move to assume that the AMO will remain positive for all the years necessary to recover the investment, much earn a return on the investment.  
When I have read AGW forecasts for ice-free Artic by 2013, there seems to be no consideration for role of periodic oscillations.  The forecasting methodology -- as far as they reveal -- does not seem to be sufficiently sophisticated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP Rourke:<br />
You are to be commended for the gentle tone in your postings as you get across your message in an intellectually honest manner.<br />
Nevertheless, if I was involved in strategic planning for a shipping company, I would analyze the AMO trend (and other oscillations) before recommending investments to ship across the Arctic Ocean.<br />
My understanding of AMO is that indeed it could remain in the positive mode until 2013, but it could be a foolish move to assume that the AMO will remain positive for all the years necessary to recover the investment, much earn a return on the investment.<br />
When I have read AGW forecasts for ice-free Artic by 2013, there seems to be no consideration for role of periodic oscillations.  The forecasting methodology &#8212; as far as they reveal &#8212; does not seem to be sufficiently sophisticated.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Rourke</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29620</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I should correct that last statement...

The experts have said there is a good chance (50/50) of a completely ice-free arctic (during the summer months) by the year 2013, others have said &quot;as early as 2013 or as late as 2030&quot;. That would, of course, mean you could paddle a kayak to the North Pole AND have a commercially navigable NWP... but also obviously both of those are likely to be possible sooner than a completely ice-free arctic.

The NWP was already &quot;commercially navigable&quot; last year on Aug. 21st, although I don&#039;t think you could have called it commercially feasible! But, that probably will happen soon; it may not even be open this year or the next, but once the arctic DOES go completely ice-free, even for one day, I&#039;d say that would be the time to invest in shipping companies that are prepared to use the NWP!

I have no idea what possibility the kayaker has of actually paddling to the North Pole any time soon, but it will be interesting to track... he&#039;s clearly timing it so that he will be there and back right around the time of minimum ice, we&#039;ll see how he does...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I should correct that last statement&#8230;</p>
<p>The experts have said there is a good chance (50/50) of a completely ice-free arctic (during the summer months) by the year 2013, others have said &#8220;as early as 2013 or as late as 2030&#8243;. That would, of course, mean you could paddle a kayak to the North Pole AND have a commercially navigable NWP&#8230; but also obviously both of those are likely to be possible sooner than a completely ice-free arctic.</p>
<p>The NWP was already &#8220;commercially navigable&#8221; last year on Aug. 21st, although I don&#8217;t think you could have called it commercially feasible! But, that probably will happen soon; it may not even be open this year or the next, but once the arctic DOES go completely ice-free, even for one day, I&#8217;d say that would be the time to invest in shipping companies that are prepared to use the NWP!</p>
<p>I have no idea what possibility the kayaker has of actually paddling to the North Pole any time soon, but it will be interesting to track&#8230; he&#8217;s clearly timing it so that he will be there and back right around the time of minimum ice, we&#8217;ll see how he does&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JP Rourke</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29500</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Keep, Micajah, et al:

Mike said the MELT was greater than average, and it has, all year. The RATE of melting, on the other hand, has very closely paralleled the average rate of melting, until the last 3 days... the rate has now accelerated to be greater than the average, beginning a spike in melting similar to early July of last year&#039;s record. 

I have no expectations that there will be either an ice-free NWP this year or a clear kayak-sized path to the pole, but the experts say there is a good chance (50/50) of it happening by 2013, and that does appear to be reasonable. 

As others have said, time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Keep, Micajah, et al:</p>
<p>Mike said the MELT was greater than average, and it has, all year. The RATE of melting, on the other hand, has very closely paralleled the average rate of melting, until the last 3 days&#8230; the rate has now accelerated to be greater than the average, beginning a spike in melting similar to early July of last year&#8217;s record. </p>
<p>I have no expectations that there will be either an ice-free NWP this year or a clear kayak-sized path to the pole, but the experts say there is a good chance (50/50) of it happening by 2013, and that does appear to be reasonable. </p>
<p>As others have said, time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keep</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29455</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s as though a straight line has been drawn between two points — the place where the line had noticeably curved up toward the mean and the current end of the line.

Mike Keep, I understood you to be saying that the ice “is” melting faster than the mean. My rejoinder was simply that it “is not” according to that graph.

Now, as of the latest update, you can say it “is” melting faster than the mean.&quot; Micajah

Kind of illustrates the folly of using relatively short periods of time as a trend. I&#039;m glad we now agree.
&#039;Cooling&#039; posters take note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s as though a straight line has been drawn between two points — the place where the line had noticeably curved up toward the mean and the current end of the line.</p>
<p>Mike Keep, I understood you to be saying that the ice “is” melting faster than the mean. My rejoinder was simply that it “is not” according to that graph.</p>
<p>Now, as of the latest update, you can say it “is” melting faster than the mean.&#8221; Micajah</p>
<p>Kind of illustrates the folly of using relatively short periods of time as a trend. I&#8217;m glad we now agree.<br />
&#8216;Cooling&#8217; posters take note.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>statePoet1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Soon…very soon, the exhausted baby ice will know either the joy of returning home to flow another year, or finally melt into the endless peace of failure.&quot;  jeez

jeez,

Except for the serious defect of being comprehensible, you could be a poet.  But at least you avoid rhyme, so there is hope for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Soon…very soon, the exhausted baby ice will know either the joy of returning home to flow another year, or finally melt into the endless peace of failure.&#8221;  jeez</p>
<p>jeez,</p>
<p>Except for the serious defect of being comprehensible, you could be a poet.  But at least you avoid rhyme, so there is hope for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29412</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any chance that baby ice will be reincarnated, or possibly resurrected?
Hoping for the best,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any chance that baby ice will be reincarnated, or possibly resurrected?<br />
Hoping for the best,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29409</link>
		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weakened, but not crippled, the baby ice seeks comfort in numbers, huddling, clinging together to fend off the waning, but still dangerous attacks of the sun, rain, and wind.

For in this battle between nature’s adversaries, time is the referee, the arbiter of success, and survival the only measure of victory.

Soon...very soon, the exhausted baby ice will know either the joy of returning home to flow another year, or finally melt into the endless peace of failure.

(slightly updated from original)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weakened, but not crippled, the baby ice seeks comfort in numbers, huddling, clinging together to fend off the waning, but still dangerous attacks of the sun, rain, and wind.</p>
<p>For in this battle between nature’s adversaries, time is the referee, the arbiter of success, and survival the only measure of victory.</p>
<p>Soon&#8230;very soon, the exhausted baby ice will know either the joy of returning home to flow another year, or finally melt into the endless peace of failure.</p>
<p>(slightly updated from original)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just fits... I hate how those mean nuclear icebreakers are tearing the baby ice to pieces... This is NOT how we should treat that baby ice.
Careing (almost too much) for the baby ice,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just fits&#8230; I hate how those mean nuclear icebreakers are tearing the baby ice to pieces&#8230; This is NOT how we should treat that baby ice.<br />
Careing (almost too much) for the baby ice,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, ever since I worked on starting that meme, I wasn&#039;t sure it would have legs, but it&#039;s taking off.

And again, FYI I do not moderate at CA. In fact, I get zambonied all the time. Mosh and I went off on a theme yesterday that was hilarious, now all gone, just the memories, and one vestigial reference in one of Staffan&#039;s posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, ever since I worked on starting that meme, I wasn&#8217;t sure it would have legs, but it&#8217;s taking off.</p>
<p>And again, FYI I do not moderate at CA. In fact, I get zambonied all the time. Mosh and I went off on a theme yesterday that was hilarious, now all gone, just the memories, and one vestigial reference in one of Staffan&#8217;s posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez I thought you&#039;d like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez I thought you&#8217;d like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well cross-post my contribution to CA:

    Seemingly plunged into a downward spiral of accelerating destruction, the baby ice cautiously and at the same time playfully relies on instinct, not courage to survive to another season.

    It is this instinct, carved and molded by generations of ice that came before, that protect and sustain the baby ice throughout the treacherous long summer.

    After beating back the solar onslaught, the now exhausted baby ice crawls slowly towards the safety and comfort of the long winter nights, finally to rest, to heal, to strengthen, and thus to perpetuate nature’s glorious ice dance of the seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well cross-post my contribution to CA:</p>
<p>    Seemingly plunged into a downward spiral of accelerating destruction, the baby ice cautiously and at the same time playfully relies on instinct, not courage to survive to another season.</p>
<p>    It is this instinct, carved and molded by generations of ice that came before, that protect and sustain the baby ice throughout the treacherous long summer.</p>
<p>    After beating back the solar onslaught, the now exhausted baby ice crawls slowly towards the safety and comfort of the long winter nights, finally to rest, to heal, to strengthen, and thus to perpetuate nature’s glorious ice dance of the seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/30/polar-ice-check-still-a-lot-of-ice-up-there/#comment-29398</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I join all who care about the arctic and the polar bears in demanding the closing of all areas of sea ice to icebreakers, diesel, nuclear or otherwise. Surely everyone can understand that breaking big pieces of ice into little pieces of ice hastens the melting of the sea ice. I further propose that every environmental group, and anyone other group, who cares for Mother Earth, adopt a piece of the sea ice, say 300 or 400 square kilometers or so, in order to keep the sea ice free of soot or any other particulates which have been deposited there by dirty coal plants in China and Russia. This will raise the albedo of the ice so that the solar energy is reflected away. Failing this you may consider painting your small portion of the sea ice a nice glossy white.
Thanking you in advance for your assured participation,
Mike Bryant
Mr Lewis Pugh, you better not be taking any icebreakers up there with you..
SAVE THE POLAR BEARS, SAVE THE NEW BABY ICE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I join all who care about the arctic and the polar bears in demanding the closing of all areas of sea ice to icebreakers, diesel, nuclear or otherwise. Surely everyone can understand that breaking big pieces of ice into little pieces of ice hastens the melting of the sea ice. I further propose that every environmental group, and anyone other group, who cares for Mother Earth, adopt a piece of the sea ice, say 300 or 400 square kilometers or so, in order to keep the sea ice free of soot or any other particulates which have been deposited there by dirty coal plants in China and Russia. This will raise the albedo of the ice so that the solar energy is reflected away. Failing this you may consider painting your small portion of the sea ice a nice glossy white.<br />
Thanking you in advance for your assured participation,<br />
Mike Bryant<br />
Mr Lewis Pugh, you better not be taking any icebreakers up there with you..<br />
SAVE THE POLAR BEARS, SAVE THE NEW BABY ICE!!!!</p>
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