If you can point me to a global temperature metric that incorporates MSU surface measurements I will cede the point in your favor. In the meantime I will note that you now appear to be advocating the position that all satellite systems measure surface temperature. Well done, a complete reversal from your first post in this thread.

http://ghrc.msfc.nasa.gov/uso/readme/amsu-a.html

I think your post speaks for itself, Earle.

You did say this:

“Yes, the surface is included in MSU measurements.”

Let me repeat that, just to make sure I read it right…

Boris: “Yes, the surface is included in MSU measurements.”

I absolutely adore how vigorously you engage in debate when you cannot get the most fundamental aspects correct. MSU does not measure surface temperatures. AVHRR does measure surface temperatures. MSU is incorporated into the RSS and UAH global temperature metrics. AVHRR sea surface temperature is incorporated into the HadCRU, GISS, and NOAA global temperature metrics.

You’ve demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of what measurements are taken and which dataset goes into which metric. Your rants regarding the relative merits of each are built upon this foundation, a crumbling edifice demonstrating an inability to locate and verify information that even a high school student should be able to find, read, and understand. Don’t be surprised then when your babbling is relegated to the junk drawer of cranks, hacks, and yes – deniers.

Moderator comment. Please try and tone down personal attacks~Charles the moderator

I didn’t say that.

And boy is it cold in the UK at the moment for July! See it for yourself at the Open Golf Tournament on TV. I was also at the British Grand Prix 2 weeks ago and it was so cold I could see my breath in the air!

Tell me about it! It’s meant to be the middle of summer and I still have my winter douvet on the bed and I’m wearing wooly jumpers! I’ve never seen it go dark as early as it is at present for the time of year. It’s constant cloud cover both low and vey high (alternating) and we’ve hardly seen the sun for months.

Here’s another scary story about fuel prices (Apologies Anthony, I realise it’s off-topic)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7512971.stm

As one brilliant Math-CompSci profs of mine once responded to my eager answer to his query of the class:

“That does not pertain.”

Excellent insight – we have the same issue with the math over here in the UK

See this from the Sunday Telegraph a leading British Newspaper.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/1578171/Christopher-Booker%27s-Notebook.html

(nb – you need to scroll down to the heading – “The great wind scam’s profitability is equalled only by its futility ” – there’s also a piece on the ice coverage beneath it if of interest to anyone).

On a separate issue the debate on biofuels continues and I thought this article may interest others (from the same paper and journalist)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/12/eabio112.xml

And boy is it cold in the UK at the moment for July! See it for yourself at the Open Golf Tournament on TV. I was also at the British Grand Prix 2 weeks ago and it was so cold I could see my breath in the air!

“Algore … could tell you about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin …..”

42. It’s the answer life, the universe, and everything.

“A power grid of instantaneous varying output generators, plus a varying instantaneous demand would within a few seconds collapse, into a perpetual blackout.”

Perhaps the solution there is to have TV broadcast satellites (or GPS satellites) provide a master 60 Hz oscillator and require that all generators that feed the grid sync with that oscillator.

To:
Senator George Voinovich
524 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Sir;
You may be aware of the PR Challenge or Paleoclimate Reconstruction Challenge. http://www.pages.unibe.ch/science/prchallenge/index.html Many scientists of this group are the same “scientists” which give us the famous “Hockey Stick” reconstruction of our past climate. I should not have to remind you of the boondoggle surrounding the hockey stick starting with “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period to any input number resulted in the same graph being reconstructed.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I demand as a tax payer and citizen that:
A) An independent audit done to validate and verify all works from Paleoclimate Reconstruction Challenge before any government body and/or government employee can refer to and/or use in full and/or in part for any government function including the IPCC.
B) If any government funding is used in all and/or part of this reconstruction, the reconstruction shall be subjected to the principle of forecasting as described in Principles of Forecasting handbook.
C) If any government funding is used in all or part of this reconstruction, the reconstruction shall be subjected to the Data Quality Act.
D) If scientist and/or institution that does not comply with independent audit and/or principle of forecasting and/or Data Quality Act shall have his and/or hers and/or institution government funding suspended immediately.

Thank you,
Sincerely,

No Boris, as a general trend, I don’t believe that “broad sections of the atmosphere” will show no warming while the surface does warm.

“So, conclusions that the GISS or NOAA data are wrong or fraudulent or whatever the skeptics are saying today cannot be supported by the satellite data.”

It’s not only supported by sattelite data. GISS is diverging from HadCrut3 at a rate of about .13C per decade for the last decade. And it is diverging from the satellite data at the same rate. The satellite data and HadCrut3, on the other hand, are showing very little divergence.