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	<title>Comments on: What a great USHCN station looks like: Tucumcari</title>
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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/29/what-a-great-ushcn-station-looks-like-tucumcari/#comment-22098</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m willing to bet irrigation affects temperatures kilometers away from the source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m willing to bet irrigation affects temperatures kilometers away from the source.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve addressed this already here or on Surface Stations, but seems germane to all the rural monitoring sites.

It&#039;s interesting to me that NOAA acknowledges the importance of avoiding agriculturally developed sites in their licensing agreement handbook:

&quot;Licensor and Licensee recognize the importance of maintaining Site integrity for among other things, to... minimize potential impacts from long-term land use and land cover changes on the climate record at the USCRN Site, such as irrigation and tilling of the land near the site, typically within 100 meters.&quot;  ---From U. S. Climate Reference Network Site Information Handbook, Pg. 17.

But cultivation and irrigation, considered &quot;natural&quot; land uses, might tend to creep past these 100-meter barriers over time, and if Christy&#039;s essay is right, these land uses affect temperature readings more than I realized. 

Thanks for your ongoing investigation (I read on to part two of this).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve addressed this already here or on Surface Stations, but seems germane to all the rural monitoring sites.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me that NOAA acknowledges the importance of avoiding agriculturally developed sites in their licensing agreement handbook:</p>
<p>&#8220;Licensor and Licensee recognize the importance of maintaining Site integrity for among other things, to&#8230; minimize potential impacts from long-term land use and land cover changes on the climate record at the USCRN Site, such as irrigation and tilling of the land near the site, typically within 100 meters.&#8221;  &#8212;From U. S. Climate Reference Network Site Information Handbook, Pg. 17.</p>
<p>But cultivation and irrigation, considered &#8220;natural&#8221; land uses, might tend to creep past these 100-meter barriers over time, and if Christy&#8217;s essay is right, these land uses affect temperature readings more than I realized. </p>
<p>Thanks for your ongoing investigation (I read on to part two of this).</p>
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		<title>By: Who&#8217;s Adjusting the Climate in Tucumcari: Cows, Canals, or Hansen? &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Who&#8217;s Adjusting the Climate in Tucumcari: Cows, Canals, or Hansen? &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Sunday I posted about the USHCN climate station of record in Tucumcari, NM highlighting its positive points since it has all the hallmarks of a well sited station with a long [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mosher, of course you mean you &quot;couldn&#039;t care less...&quot; Totally opposite meaning from &quot;could care less&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mosher, of course you mean you &#8220;couldn&#8217;t care less&#8230;&#8221; Totally opposite meaning from &#8220;could care less&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, you say over at CA that you will look into irrigation changes as a possible cause of the warming in the 1990s.

Given Christy&#039;s study (linked above), which finds a regional warming effect from irrigation, the total volume of water used in irrigation from the Tucumcari Project would be an interesting comparison to the temperature record.

All I could find online is 10 years data of total irrigated land in acres, which ends in 1992. Full records doubtless exist somewhere. Also I think volume of water used in irrigation is a better metric than area irrigated because volume will determine the amount of water vapour introduced into the atmosphere. The 2 may be closely related. However, one description of the scheme says,

“Irrigated pastures fill a niche in this area because of their ability to produce under varying levels of irrigation,” said Rex Kirksey, superintendent of NMSU’s Agricultural Science Center in Tucumcari. “Pastures remain a viable option in many situations where irrigation water is too limited or unpredictable for corn or alfalfa production.”

Which makes me think there isn&#039;t a good relationship between area irrigated and water volume.

http://www.usbr.gov/dataweb/html/uctucprjdata.html

And at the risk of belabouring the point, the significance of Tucumcari may be that it shows the effect of irrigation without any other significant local effect. For those of you who didn&#039;t read the Christy paper, he found, in a region remote from irrigation, temperatures declined over the 20th century.

BTW, what clued me into the irrigation effect is that here in Perth Western Australia a typical sunny day in summer is 35C to 38C. However, we get a few days each year when we go into the 40s. I think 44C was the hottest day this year. These hot days are invariably humid, although without cloud, and nights are much hotter than normal in summer; +10C or more on some nights. I realized the 40C+ days occur after rain in the interior and the normally dry winds from the interior become relatively humid. 

Its hot because the air is humid and the sky is clear. The extra heat results from a near ground greenhouse effect from the extra water vapour.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I just completed my basic research, posted on the main page, and like you could not find the overall water volume numbers for the entire project, only a portion. But I did find something else. Leakage. The irrigation canal system that serves the area near the USHCN station loses HALF of the water to the surrounding area, and it is getting worse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, you say over at CA that you will look into irrigation changes as a possible cause of the warming in the 1990s.</p>
<p>Given Christy&#8217;s study (linked above), which finds a regional warming effect from irrigation, the total volume of water used in irrigation from the Tucumcari Project would be an interesting comparison to the temperature record.</p>
<p>All I could find online is 10 years data of total irrigated land in acres, which ends in 1992. Full records doubtless exist somewhere. Also I think volume of water used in irrigation is a better metric than area irrigated because volume will determine the amount of water vapour introduced into the atmosphere. The 2 may be closely related. However, one description of the scheme says,</p>
<p>“Irrigated pastures fill a niche in this area because of their ability to produce under varying levels of irrigation,” said Rex Kirksey, superintendent of NMSU’s Agricultural Science Center in Tucumcari. “Pastures remain a viable option in many situations where irrigation water is too limited or unpredictable for corn or alfalfa production.”</p>
<p>Which makes me think there isn&#8217;t a good relationship between area irrigated and water volume.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usbr.gov/dataweb/html/uctucprjdata.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usbr.gov/dataweb/html/uctucprjdata.html</a></p>
<p>And at the risk of belabouring the point, the significance of Tucumcari may be that it shows the effect of irrigation without any other significant local effect. For those of you who didn&#8217;t read the Christy paper, he found, in a region remote from irrigation, temperatures declined over the 20th century.</p>
<p>BTW, what clued me into the irrigation effect is that here in Perth Western Australia a typical sunny day in summer is 35C to 38C. However, we get a few days each year when we go into the 40s. I think 44C was the hottest day this year. These hot days are invariably humid, although without cloud, and nights are much hotter than normal in summer; +10C or more on some nights. I realized the 40C+ days occur after rain in the interior and the normally dry winds from the interior become relatively humid. </p>
<p>Its hot because the air is humid and the sky is clear. The extra heat results from a near ground greenhouse effect from the extra water vapour.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I just completed my basic research, posted on the main page, and like you could not find the overall water volume numbers for the entire project, only a portion. But I did find something else. Leakage. The irrigation canal system that serves the area near the USHCN station loses HALF of the water to the surrounding area, and it is getting worse.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bill P

1. Was this adjustment known to take place in 1995?

  No the satillite photos were taken in 1995. Those photos capture lights at night. Hansen uses those photos to say &quot; bright equal urban&quot;  &quot;dark equal rural&quot; grunt grunt.

2. Hansen would retroactively adjust for a supposed urban site by lowering (?) the temp, using a certain formula?

Dont get me started. read CA on hansens magical mushroom adjustment dance.

3. From the comments above on humiditity and temperature, it seems the interrelationship of irrigation / surface moisture / temp are numerous, overlapping and conflicting.

 Shrugs. i do code not watering.

4. With the uncertainties created by Hansen’s manipulations and the unknown agricultural history, aren’t there still some questions about this site? A “gem” still in the rough?

The point is THIS. hansen&#039;s adjsutment methodolofy takes a perfectly good site and adjusts it. I could care less whether it is up or down. This site is rural. It it well sited. It has a long record. DONT EFF WITH GOOD DATA.

rant off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill P</p>
<p>1. Was this adjustment known to take place in 1995?</p>
<p>  No the satillite photos were taken in 1995. Those photos capture lights at night. Hansen uses those photos to say &#8221; bright equal urban&#8221;  &#8220;dark equal rural&#8221; grunt grunt.</p>
<p>2. Hansen would retroactively adjust for a supposed urban site by lowering (?) the temp, using a certain formula?</p>
<p>Dont get me started. read CA on hansens magical mushroom adjustment dance.</p>
<p>3. From the comments above on humiditity and temperature, it seems the interrelationship of irrigation / surface moisture / temp are numerous, overlapping and conflicting.</p>
<p> Shrugs. i do code not watering.</p>
<p>4. With the uncertainties created by Hansen’s manipulations and the unknown agricultural history, aren’t there still some questions about this site? A “gem” still in the rough?</p>
<p>The point is THIS. hansen&#8217;s adjsutment methodolofy takes a perfectly good site and adjusts it. I could care less whether it is up or down. This site is rural. It it well sited. It has a long record. DONT EFF WITH GOOD DATA.</p>
<p>rant off.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heads up, CA is refusing connections again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heads up, CA is refusing connections again.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Brozyna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Brozyna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post, as well as the preceding post on SIM/barycentric ideas, are illustrative of why this is my favorite place to read daily. It has the open approach I expect when matters of science are being discussed. Even the comments are {for the most part} quite civil, even when differing viewpoints are being discussed.  Plus it&#039;s no where near as depressing as reading the daily listings at JunkScience with all the lunacy that passes for science is revealed. Or all the coding issues covered at Climate Audit.

You could have buried this particular station in the surfacestation database, if you were agenda driven. But in the true spirit of science and understanding the real world, you post this as an example of what&#039;s being done right. And when that bump around 2000 is noted, there&#039;s none of &quot;the science is settled and this proves it,&quot; or &quot;it&#039;s data manipulation&quot;.

Or in the previous article on the SIM hypothesis. You post it while expressing your reservations. Now, while I like the ideas in this hypothesis {it does have a certain aesthetic appeal}, it raises as many questions as it tries to answer. Even here the comments cover quite a range of positions regarding this hypothesis, yet are discussed in a manner that does great credit to you.

Kudos to you and keep up the great work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post, as well as the preceding post on SIM/barycentric ideas, are illustrative of why this is my favorite place to read daily. It has the open approach I expect when matters of science are being discussed. Even the comments are {for the most part} quite civil, even when differing viewpoints are being discussed.  Plus it&#8217;s no where near as depressing as reading the daily listings at JunkScience with all the lunacy that passes for science is revealed. Or all the coding issues covered at Climate Audit.</p>
<p>You could have buried this particular station in the surfacestation database, if you were agenda driven. But in the true spirit of science and understanding the real world, you post this as an example of what&#8217;s being done right. And when that bump around 2000 is noted, there&#8217;s none of &#8220;the science is settled and this proves it,&#8221; or &#8220;it&#8217;s data manipulation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Or in the previous article on the SIM hypothesis. You post it while expressing your reservations. Now, while I like the ideas in this hypothesis {it does have a certain aesthetic appeal}, it raises as many questions as it tries to answer. Even here the comments cover quite a range of positions regarding this hypothesis, yet are discussed in a manner that does great credit to you.</p>
<p>Kudos to you and keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Well here they prove one thing. NIGHTLIGHTS is a flawed methodology.&lt;/cite&gt;

As he rolled down the tarmac we heard him to shout,
&quot;Happy Earth Day to all, Lights 0, and OUT!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Well here they prove one thing. NIGHTLIGHTS is a flawed methodology.</cite></p>
<p>As he rolled down the tarmac we heard him to shout,<br />
&#8220;Happy Earth Day to all, Lights 0, and OUT!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I notice temps have gone up 1.5ºC or so since 1980. That&#039;s around four times the national average--according to GISS results. NOAA shows a lesser increase  ( c. 1ºC ).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice temps have gone up 1.5ºC or so since 1980. That&#8217;s around four times the national average&#8211;according to GISS results. NOAA shows a lesser increase  ( c. 1ºC ).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Vigo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill in Vigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sort of tongue in cheek,  I have long suggested that we turn off about 1/2 the street lights in the world and see what that would do to the temp in a year.  I wonder just how much heat say 500,000,000 500W street lamps would produce and how much heat it would use to produce the energy to light the lamps?  If Hansen uses them to determine rural and urban it might make a difference.  I wonder how much of a close up picture they use for the determination.  Just food for thought.

Bill Derryberry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of tongue in cheek,  I have long suggested that we turn off about 1/2 the street lights in the world and see what that would do to the temp in a year.  I wonder just how much heat say 500,000,000 500W street lamps would produce and how much heat it would use to produce the energy to light the lamps?  If Hansen uses them to determine rural and urban it might make a difference.  I wonder how much of a close up picture they use for the determination.  Just food for thought.</p>
<p>Bill Derryberry</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: &quot;Hansen concluded from this (satellite) picture that the site was NOT RURAL. 4. Hansen then adjusts sites that he thinks are not Rural, based on a photo from space.&quot;

1. Was this adjustment known to take place in 1995?
2. Hansen would retroactively adjust for a supposed urban site by lowering (?) the temp, using a certain formula?
3. From the comments above on humiditity and temperature, it seems the interrelationship of irrigation / surface moisture / temp are numerous, overlapping and conflicting. 
4. With the uncertainties created by Hansen&#039;s manipulations and the unknown agricultural history, aren&#039;t there still some questions about this site?  A &quot;gem&quot; still in the rough?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;Hansen concluded from this (satellite) picture that the site was NOT RURAL. 4. Hansen then adjusts sites that he thinks are not Rural, based on a photo from space.&#8221;</p>
<p>1. Was this adjustment known to take place in 1995?<br />
2. Hansen would retroactively adjust for a supposed urban site by lowering (?) the temp, using a certain formula?<br />
3. From the comments above on humiditity and temperature, it seems the interrelationship of irrigation / surface moisture / temp are numerous, overlapping and conflicting.<br />
4. With the uncertainties created by Hansen&#8217;s manipulations and the unknown agricultural history, aren&#8217;t there still some questions about this site?  A &#8220;gem&#8221; still in the rough?</p>
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		<title>By: David Segesta</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Segesta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off topic
Anthony. I don&#039;t mean to burden you any further, but I&#039;m wondering if you ever did the experiment to measure the temperature of tree leaves to see if they maintain a temperature different than the surrounding air.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Not yet, we have so much smoke in the air here that I&#039;m concerned it will affect the measurement. Waiting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic<br />
Anthony. I don&#8217;t mean to burden you any further, but I&#8217;m wondering if you ever did the experiment to measure the temperature of tree leaves to see if they maintain a temperature different than the surrounding air.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Not yet, we have so much smoke in the air here that I&#8217;m concerned it will affect the measurement. Waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Evens</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Evens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like there&#039;s something wrong with the graph showing both raw and homog. Is it possible the homog is shifted down by about 1 degree?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like there&#8217;s something wrong with the graph showing both raw and homog. Is it possible the homog is shifted down by about 1 degree?</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James S.  this site is adjusted by NASA for the following reason.

1. in 1995 a picture was taken from space. Not from a guy on on the ground, a picture was taken from space.
2.that picture showed that there were lights turned on at night around this site
3. Hansen concluded from this picture that the site was NOT RURAL.
4. Hansen then adjusts sites that he thinks are not Rural, based on a photo
  from space.

Then Anthony and team go out and take pictures of sites. at ground level.
Then Hansen fans say, hey Anthony your pictures prove nothing.

Well here they prove one thing. NIGHTLIGHTS is a flawed methodology.

It doesn&#039;t get any simpler than that. Nightlights is supposed to identify non rural sites. You would think that a NASA scientist would do a cross check.
NOPE. 

Maybe we should mail him some O rings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James S.  this site is adjusted by NASA for the following reason.</p>
<p>1. in 1995 a picture was taken from space. Not from a guy on on the ground, a picture was taken from space.<br />
2.that picture showed that there were lights turned on at night around this site<br />
3. Hansen concluded from this picture that the site was NOT RURAL.<br />
4. Hansen then adjusts sites that he thinks are not Rural, based on a photo<br />
  from space.</p>
<p>Then Anthony and team go out and take pictures of sites. at ground level.<br />
Then Hansen fans say, hey Anthony your pictures prove nothing.</p>
<p>Well here they prove one thing. NIGHTLIGHTS is a flawed methodology.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t get any simpler than that. Nightlights is supposed to identify non rural sites. You would think that a NASA scientist would do a cross check.<br />
NOPE. </p>
<p>Maybe we should mail him some O rings.</p>
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