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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/28/sun-still-quiet-over-two-months-since-a-cycle-24-spot-seen/#comment-28959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[July&#039;s sunspot average in today. 0.5  That&#039;s quiet enough to hear a pin drop.
I don&#039;t think it&#039;s even snoring at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>July&#8217;s sunspot average in today. 0.5  That&#8217;s quiet enough to hear a pin drop.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s even snoring at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/28/sun-still-quiet-over-two-months-since-a-cycle-24-spot-seen/#comment-27969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif
The Solar Polar field suffered a voltage spike circa late Dec. 2005, and has been through 4 monotonous reversals evers since then.
blip bleep, blip bleep, blip bleep, blip bleep
And the sunspots plus all other activity signs just petered out, and the Sun stares back at us in all it&#039;s uncanny sameness, day after day, month after month.  The flywheel exhausted all of it&#039;s momentum in less than 2 years.
All stop, coronal hole opens at equator and stays put.
Look for another voltage spike to jump start it.
Clear !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif" rel="nofollow">http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif</a><br />
The Solar Polar field suffered a voltage spike circa late Dec. 2005, and has been through 4 monotonous reversals evers since then.<br />
blip bleep, blip bleep, blip bleep, blip bleep<br />
And the sunspots plus all other activity signs just petered out, and the Sun stares back at us in all it&#8217;s uncanny sameness, day after day, month after month.  The flywheel exhausted all of it&#8217;s momentum in less than 2 years.<br />
All stop, coronal hole opens at equator and stays put.<br />
Look for another voltage spike to jump start it.<br />
Clear !</p>
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		<title>By: davidgmills</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidgmills]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it just me, or is he cherry picking the data on this graph:

http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Sun-039-s-Dead-Face-Nothing-out-of-the-Ordinary-Researchers-say-3.gif

Because there is no mention of what the gray lines mean, which are consistently much lower in cycle 23/24.

And one could easily say that in 1933 there were only 12 times that the sunspot number was 0 more than 15 days in a month and when by June 2008 it had already reached 10.  This July will no doubt make it 11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or is he cherry picking the data on this graph:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Sun-039-s-Dead-Face-Nothing-out-of-the-Ordinary-Researchers-say-3.gif" rel="nofollow">http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Sun-039-s-Dead-Face-Nothing-out-of-the-Ordinary-Researchers-say-3.gif</a></p>
<p>Because there is no mention of what the gray lines mean, which are consistently much lower in cycle 23/24.</p>
<p>And one could easily say that in 1933 there were only 12 times that the sunspot number was 0 more than 15 days in a month and when by June 2008 it had already reached 10.  This July will no doubt make it 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ramsey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ramsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Svalgaard,
 I recently read your 2005 paper 
&quot;Sunspot cycle 24: Smallest cycle in 100 years?&quot;

How has recent WMO data affected your prediction for Rmax for cycle 24?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Svalgaard,<br />
 I recently read your 2005 paper<br />
&#8220;Sunspot cycle 24: Smallest cycle in 100 years?&#8221;</p>
<p>How has recent WMO data affected your prediction for Rmax for cycle 24?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Svalgaard (22:03:00) :  Very informative coronal hole post, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Svalgaard (22:03:00) :  Very informative coronal hole post, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/28/sun-still-quiet-over-two-months-since-a-cycle-24-spot-seen/#comment-25777</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor ol Sol, she&#039;s flatlined don&#039;tcha know.
Kind of like listening to a train receding into the distance.  Just gets harder and harder to make out the sound of it from the background noise.
Pretty soon you find yourself listening for mirages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor ol Sol, she&#8217;s flatlined don&#8217;tcha know.<br />
Kind of like listening to a train receding into the distance.  Just gets harder and harder to make out the sound of it from the background noise.<br />
Pretty soon you find yourself listening for mirages.</p>
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		<title>By: Solsearcher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solsearcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any partiucular reason you rejected this posting submitted 7.11.08?

&quot;This is only a theory, of course, just as is the prevailing but nonetheless theoretical solar nuclear furnace core supposition. 

Overwhelming and diverse evidence strongly suggests there is no nuclear fusion taking place in the sun’s core.

Instead, the sun, like its dormant companion Jupiter has a large planetary core surrounded by an abyssal sea of liquid hydrogen, metallic at the point it impinges upon the terra firma core.

Above the liquid hydrogen sea is a layer of hydrogen gas, all of which is encapsulated by the relatively thin, roiling plasmasized photospheric sheath. The predominant reaction taking place in the photosphere is molecular hydrogen being converted to atomic hydrogen and back to molecular again under the influence of immense electrical forces.

The only fusion taking place in the sun is in the photosphere where fresh molecular hydrogen gas breaches through the photosphere we call a sunspot. In the process of the freshly emerging hydrogen being converted from molecular to atomic and back again, it becomes entrained in powerful concentric magnetohydrodynamic flows that can be described as nothing less than a natural solar cyclotron!!

One need only examine the highest resolution images of a sunspot from the 1 meter Swedish Solar Telescope at Las Palmas in the Canary Islands for confirmation that below the clearly defined photosphere is nothing more than a dark gaseous interior! http://www.astro.su.se/groups/solar/solar.html 

I have a theory as to what causes sunspots that is inextricably interwoven with the above theory of the sun’s actual composition.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;John Goetz Reply:&lt;/strong&gt; It is likely it was sent automatically to the spam bucket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any partiucular reason you rejected this posting submitted 7.11.08?</p>
<p>&#8220;This is only a theory, of course, just as is the prevailing but nonetheless theoretical solar nuclear furnace core supposition. </p>
<p>Overwhelming and diverse evidence strongly suggests there is no nuclear fusion taking place in the sun’s core.</p>
<p>Instead, the sun, like its dormant companion Jupiter has a large planetary core surrounded by an abyssal sea of liquid hydrogen, metallic at the point it impinges upon the terra firma core.</p>
<p>Above the liquid hydrogen sea is a layer of hydrogen gas, all of which is encapsulated by the relatively thin, roiling plasmasized photospheric sheath. The predominant reaction taking place in the photosphere is molecular hydrogen being converted to atomic hydrogen and back to molecular again under the influence of immense electrical forces.</p>
<p>The only fusion taking place in the sun is in the photosphere where fresh molecular hydrogen gas breaches through the photosphere we call a sunspot. In the process of the freshly emerging hydrogen being converted from molecular to atomic and back again, it becomes entrained in powerful concentric magnetohydrodynamic flows that can be described as nothing less than a natural solar cyclotron!!</p>
<p>One need only examine the highest resolution images of a sunspot from the 1 meter Swedish Solar Telescope at Las Palmas in the Canary Islands for confirmation that below the clearly defined photosphere is nothing more than a dark gaseous interior! <a href="http://www.astro.su.se/groups/solar/solar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.astro.su.se/groups/solar/solar.html</a> </p>
<p>I have a theory as to what causes sunspots that is inextricably interwoven with the above theory of the sun’s actual composition.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>John Goetz Reply:</strong> It is likely it was sent automatically to the spam bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/28/sun-still-quiet-over-two-months-since-a-cycle-24-spot-seen/#comment-24750</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With this recent spate of geomagnetic activity due to a high solar wind, is this some proof that sunspots are not directly associated with these types of events, or are they normally associated but not bound to them?
I.e. - The sun may appear to go benign during protracted minima but it is simply changing it&#039;s ouput venue.
So many surprises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this recent spate of geomagnetic activity due to a high solar wind, is this some proof that sunspots are not directly associated with these types of events, or are they normally associated but not bound to them?<br />
I.e. &#8211; The sun may appear to go benign during protracted minima but it is simply changing it&#8217;s ouput venue.<br />
So many surprises.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there anything unusual about this coronal hole?
Longevity, size, position w/respect to place in cycle.
i.e. - what relationship if any can be related to the remarkable phenomena now observable on the ground (like a full year of windstorms, highs &amp; lows w/extended latitude reach, melting Northwest Passage, shortened and altered growing season, widespread strange luminescent green on new growth, half moon w/darkside unusually lit to the point of full recognition of all major features like the rays of Tycho, craters, mtns. , Mare, scarps, etc).

I have observed the Moon for over 40 years in telescopes.  I have never, ever seen recongnzable Earthshine past 3 days until now.  I also never was able to make out all the features of the unlit portion until now.  I have been ascribing it to light pollution striking, but now I&#039;m not so sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anything unusual about this coronal hole?<br />
Longevity, size, position w/respect to place in cycle.<br />
i.e. &#8211; what relationship if any can be related to the remarkable phenomena now observable on the ground (like a full year of windstorms, highs &amp; lows w/extended latitude reach, melting Northwest Passage, shortened and altered growing season, widespread strange luminescent green on new growth, half moon w/darkside unusually lit to the point of full recognition of all major features like the rays of Tycho, craters, mtns. , Mare, scarps, etc).</p>
<p>I have observed the Moon for over 40 years in telescopes.  I have never, ever seen recongnzable Earthshine past 3 days until now.  I also never was able to make out all the features of the unlit portion until now.  I have been ascribing it to light pollution striking, but now I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
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		<title>By: MDDwave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MDDwave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so...  Watt do you think about
&quot;What&#039;s Wrong with the Sun? (Nothing)  07.11.2008&quot; on the NASA website?

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/11jul_solarcycleupdate.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so&#8230;  Watt do you think about<br />
&#8220;What&#8217;s Wrong with the Sun? (Nothing)  07.11.2008&#8243; on the NASA website?</p>
<p><a href="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/11jul_solarcycleupdate.htm" rel="nofollow">http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/11jul_solarcycleupdate.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert: The solar wind striking us comes from the Center of the disk [roughly] but it takes 5 days to get here: 150,000,000 km/ 333 km/s = 5 days, so the wind we see at Earth right now left the Sun five days ago. This corresponds to a point more than halfway out towards the edge of the Sun, where if you look right now there is no coronal hole.

jonk: coronal holes are quite common in the years leading up to the minimum so nothing unusual there.

Robert: we think that the Sun &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; change polarities during the Maunder Minimum [cosmic ray generated radioactive nuclei in ice cores tell us that]. A possibility to consider is that the spots were there but were invisible as has been recently been discussed in this blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: The solar wind striking us comes from the Center of the disk [roughly] but it takes 5 days to get here: 150,000,000 km/ 333 km/s = 5 days, so the wind we see at Earth right now left the Sun five days ago. This corresponds to a point more than halfway out towards the edge of the Sun, where if you look right now there is no coronal hole.</p>
<p>jonk: coronal holes are quite common in the years leading up to the minimum so nothing unusual there.</p>
<p>Robert: we think that the Sun <em>did</em> change polarities during the Maunder Minimum [cosmic ray generated radioactive nuclei in ice cores tell us that]. A possibility to consider is that the spots were there but were invisible as has been recently been discussed in this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an interesting thought, jonk.  Could be what happened during the Maunder Minimum.  A cycle could simply fail to switch polarity, in which case you never get one.  Then the Sun is stuck in the current cycle until it manages to get unstuck.  Matches our current weather patterns: Stuck in Lodi.
Figure out why the Sun is stuck and you get the Nobel Prize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting thought, jonk.  Could be what happened during the Maunder Minimum.  A cycle could simply fail to switch polarity, in which case you never get one.  Then the Sun is stuck in the current cycle until it manages to get unstuck.  Matches our current weather patterns: Stuck in Lodi.<br />
Figure out why the Sun is stuck and you get the Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: jonk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post Dr. Svalgaard.  Since the current coronal hole was caused by cycle 23 sunspots and coronal holes typically don&#039;t happen during a solar minimum, would it be wrong to infer that we a still quite a way from the actual solar minimim and cycle 24 is 4-5 years from starting up in earnest?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post Dr. Svalgaard.  Since the current coronal hole was caused by cycle 23 sunspots and coronal holes typically don&#8217;t happen during a solar minimum, would it be wrong to infer that we a still quite a way from the actual solar minimim and cycle 24 is 4-5 years from starting up in earnest?</p>
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		<title>By: Emailgoals</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emailgoals]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any ideas what will happen on 21&#039;st December 2012 ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any ideas what will happen on 21&#8242;st December 2012 ?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Bateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lief: I looked up the Australian Observatory sun data.
We have this Coronal Hole at the Sun&#039;s equator, but the winds are mid velocity.
390km/s currently.  Been averaging 330 km/s.
I guess from some of the charts &amp; maps that 700+ km/s is what is supposed to come out of the polar holes at solar maximum.
So the mid-range winds are normal for the equator, just the hole is unexpected?
The thing is like a strobe or a rotating beacon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lief: I looked up the Australian Observatory sun data.<br />
We have this Coronal Hole at the Sun&#8217;s equator, but the winds are mid velocity.<br />
390km/s currently.  Been averaging 330 km/s.<br />
I guess from some of the charts &amp; maps that 700+ km/s is what is supposed to come out of the polar holes at solar maximum.<br />
So the mid-range winds are normal for the equator, just the hole is unexpected?<br />
The thing is like a strobe or a rotating beacon.</p>
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