Comments on: Kroger nixes global warming “policy”

By: Keith

Keith — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:03:59 +0000

Swampie:

I’m with you. The day Discovery Home changed over to “All Green, All the Time” is the day that I stopped watching them. I even sent them an email telling them that they were idiots, and that the Green fad will soon be over — the closer we get to $4.50/gallon for gas, and the price for bread/milk/meat. etc keeps getting less affordable because of this nonsense, the faster this “Save the Planet” crap will come to an end!

Besides .. they axed “Holmes On Homes,” and that is unforgivable!

By: Keith

Keith — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:52:36 +0000

The backlash is coming peeps! If you think that you are the only one sick and tired of the constant “Greenie Weenie” mantra, you are grossly mistaken. The intelligent segment of the population (definition: you and me) are already tired of Algore’s idiotic and highly flawed philosophy being shoved down our throats. Everywhere you turn, some pinhead .. even Fox News Channel has jumped onboard .. is talking about “climate change”/”Global warming”/”Climate Crisis,” etc. When in fact, there IS NO CRISIS! That is unless you want to worry about the “Climate Crisis” on Mars, and just about every OTHER planet in this solar system. The problem you see is .. THE SUN! Not your SUV.

All of this nonsense is perpetrated to separate YOU from more of YOUR MONEY! It is already having its effect, in higher gas prices, higher food prices (converting food grains to ethanol to “save the planet”). It will only get worse, especially if you people keep letting the Dimorats have their way! Meanwhile, Algoron — the dumbest man on the planet — is getting rich and laughing his way to the bank. Especially if they keep insisting that we must convert to “alternative fuels” today, instead of drilling for oil IN THIS COUNTRY NOW! At best .. even with an “Apollo program”-type commitment to alternative fuels, we are 15-20 years off. Meanwhile, the car in MY driveway (I don’t know about yours) won’t run on solar or windmill power which is what the Algorons regurgitate ad nauseum on all of the news programs!

DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW!!

By: Jeff T

Jeff T — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:17:13 +0000

As soon as I see or hear the word GREEN my brain shuts down. I cannot listen to this dribble anymore without having a brain seizure, so I have just stopped listening to the “end-of-the-World” nonsense. Day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute, the in the tank media drills this into our heads. Our local newspaper her in Orange County, NY has let go about 6 columnists. But they have retained a “sustainable artist” to harangue and hector each Sunday with a nearly full-page regurgitation of every cliche of the doom and gloomers. Do this, don’t do that, drive this, buy local, eat this, stop living, stop breathing…yada, yada, yada.

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Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:24:27 +0000

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By: Chance Metz

Chance Metz — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:30:32 +0000

Well it’s a 50-50 shot of no ice at the north pole thast ‘not excatly good odds either way so I would rather go with the 50% chance of ice.

By: Bill P

Bill P — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:57:43 +0000

It appears that U.S. “intelligence” analysis now is placing its eggs in the global warming basket, basing its prognostications on IPCC’s research.

http://www.dni.gov/testimonies/20080625_testimony.pdf

Addressing the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and
Global Warming, Dr. Fingar, Chair of the National Intelligence Council says the forecasts are for temps to rise, and (a tendancy for) destabilizing effects around the world to follow, including potentially, regime changes.

There’s a section on grain and other commodities which suggests that those rising temps will actually increase North America’s grain harvest. And, in any case, the developed powers’ “coping mechanisms” will stand them in good stead.

To me it’s fascinating that government intelligence analysts are reading from the same crystal ball as the climate modelers, apparently making policy decisions based on predictions out as far as 2030.

If I can merely go on record with a short-term prediction… The forecast for tonight: dark.

By: Steven Hill

Steven Hill — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:38:02 +0000

Did someone mention Ky? I live within 15 miles of 3 Coal Burning Electric Plants that Gore and Hansen wants to shut down. I bet that Ky does not use all that power, just shut em down and watch DC and the NE go dark.

By: Russ R.

Russ R. — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:01:38 +0000

I think they should address the unfair distribution of solar energy. The equatorial regions are receiving and largely wasting an unfair amount of solar radiation, while the rest of the world is not getting their fair share. We have months at a time of relatively weak and ineffective, sunshine, while the tropics are warm and sunny all year long.
How will Kroger’s address this unfair and devisive issue?

By: Bruce Cobb

Bruce Cobb — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:19:53 +0000

Christine, the issue is: a major grocery store chain proposing (or some shareholders proposing it) to have a “comprehensive policy addressing climate change”, and rejecting it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with energy use, or alternative energies, or “sustainability”. Now, if they felt they needed to have a comprehensive energy use policy, then that would at least make some sense. Addressing climate change is utter foolishness, since we’re not causing it, nor is there anything we can do to stop it – climate never stopped changing, and never will.
What if instead the proposal was to have a “comprehensive policy addressing the Right To Life, or Intelligent Design? Perhaps they could also have policies on World Peace, Justice, Liberty, Disease,
Hunger? Where does it end?

By: Christine Haskell

Christine Haskell — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:34:31 +0000

Well, i used to be of this camp: “what’s the harm of one can of soup?”

But they add up. Take electricity –
How much electricity share does the internet take up?
The figures used most often are “about 1.5%.”

By itself, that does not sound like a very high figure, or one we can easily toss off as “our grandkids can worry about that one, it’s gas we have to consider.”

Google doesn’t think so. Google is investing in alternative energy; the future of the internet might be tied to future of alternative energy. GE also thinks so. Why?

How much of our electricity is going to access the internet? About 3-5% – also not a huge concern until you consider the rate of growth. There are 6B people on this planet, 1B have access to internet. China alone doubles each year. In a decade, you are no longer at 3-5%..you are at 15% total electricity, 2 decades, this is a very big deal. Who is thinking about this – and do they get together ever?

I went to a Peter Senge lecture a while back where the following quote opened the discussion:

If I reflect on what many organizations have been going through, the whole awareness of sustainability is growing because systems thinking in different forms is enabling us to see interdependencies that we have not seen in the past.

It is those interdependencies which make you conclude that it is more than stupid, it is reckless to think of commercial sustainability in isolation of either social or environmental sustainability.

–Andre van Heemstra, Unilever Management Board

More info on the talk here: http://socialventurelabs.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/no-fish-no-fishsticks/

By: Daniel Rothenberg

Daniel Rothenberg — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:54:54 +0000

(poster formerly known as counters)

Yeah I’m spending this summer with my family back in Kentucky but I attend school in New York, which allows me access to the godly facility known as Wegman’s. That place is just simply amazing.

In this economy of rising fuel and food prices, Kroger’s has a bit more to worry about than climate change.

REPLY: Welcome to the light, Daniel.

By: Bill in Vigo

Bill in Vigo — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:31:56 +0000

I wish there were a Kroger near here!!!!!! Our local market “Foodland” you can hear all about the “climate change effects” . The owner works at the store every day and you can here him talking to the customers having to explain the price increases that happen every week. Yep his energy bill went up nearly 200% in the last 6 months and is still increasing. The wholesale cost of his products both prepared and fresh have gone up about 40% and he is worried about this fall. Yep get rid of carbon and divert grain to bio-fuel. Oh well it would do me good to lose a few pounds of weight. ( a few kilos for our European friends).

By the way Dan T. they are already going after the BBQ folks both charcoal and gas especially in areas where there might be smog problems. One city that I know of is Birmingham Alabama.

Swampie I do agree with you the discovery Chanel isn’t what it used to be and I don’t watch it nearly as much as I used to.

Having said that I read the bible and in there it says you reap what you sow. I have a feeling we are going to reap what some one is sowing.

Only last week we had the pleasure of not having any tomatoes available in the local grocery due to the type fertilizer used in our neighboring country that grows lots of our produce. Yep green type, natural. collected regularly and spread evenly. I wish they would at least let it go through a heat.

The long term effect was that we now have tomatoes but they are 40% higher than before and now is the time when local producers are coming in to the market and prices should be dropping .

During WWII they had Victory Gardens, I think it is a good time to start growing them again.

uggghhh makes my head hurt.

Bill Derryberry

By: Russ

Russ — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:07:04 +0000

statePoet1775 said, ‘All we are missing in this country is the “goose step”. Where will all this silliness lead?’

Good question. I think it leads here:

http://depriest-mpu.blogspot.com/2008/04/iwo-jima-global-warming.html

By: David Segesta

David Segesta — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:40:30 +0000

I’d switch to Kroger but we already shop there.

By: Bern Bray

Bern Bray — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:54:58 +0000

Patrick Henry

You might notice that King Soupers uses an air curtain at the entrance that provides a barrier against not only insects, but also a barrier against air circulation between outside and inside. That would be the “heat on high” that you feel. This works rather well, except on the very windiest days, when they will close the doors.

By: Bern Bray

Bern Bray — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:09 +0000

I overheard the term “carbon footprint” used in conversation in the doctor’s waiting room yesterday. I gagged when I heard it, so they took me to a room right away.

By: bigcitylib

bigcitylib — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:30:30 +0000

Betcha these guys could, for example, find a half dozen different ways to keep their meats/fresh veggies cool more efficiently.

REPLY: I don’t think there is anyone here that would disagree with that. But an “efficiency policy” is somethign entirely different than a “climate change policy”.

By: counters

counters — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:25:15 +0000

Re: the ice discussion; bear in mind that thickness is just as important as 2D spatial extent, and that prevailing weather patterns have a strong effect on the precise amount of melting experienced (such as wind patterns bringing ice last year to warmer waters, encouraging melt). Last year might be an anomalous point, it might not – time will tell. One can’t use two points of data to define or refute a trend.

Back to the topic at hand, I’ve never liked Kroger. That’s all we had back home in Kentucky; up in New York, though, we have Wegman’s which is a FAR superior supermarket. Kroger should worry about fuel costs impacting the prices of their goods before they worry about global warming.

REPLY: Looks like you are stuck with Krogers though, since the IP that WordPress automatically places next to your comment approval form is from the State of Kentucky.

By: Tom Bruno

Tom Bruno — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:17:14 +0000

Regarding the Artice Ice story, I noticed that the sea ice graph starts at 1979, so did the history of Earth apparently.

By: Pierre Gosselin

Pierre Gosselin — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:21:58 +0000

Concerning the ozone study:

Professor John Plane, University of Leeds said: “This study provides a sharp reminder that to understand how the atmosphere really works, measurement and experiment are irreplaceable.

Got that! Talking to you…you deniers at RC and GISS!

Further links:
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/003203.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080625140656.htm
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/06/phytoplankton-surprisingly-destroys-lot.html