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	<title>Comments on: Warming on 11 year hiatus?  How about cooling?</title>
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		<title>By: Art Esian</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-22440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Esian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The danger to the planet is an optical illusion. The cost/benefit of controlling CO2 is just not worth it. There are serious heating issues with heating in the cities, but this is urban. Many more lives are lost from winter weather, and urban heating actually saves lives. There is serious trouble in HIV/Aids, drinkable water, and wasting energy, but critical thinking is required to solve the world’s issues. CO2 is de minimis. Prosperity, however, is being seriously threatened by NGO lobby groups with tunnel vision. Go to the Copenhagen Convention web site to get an update about what needs to be done. It is not heavy industry at fault. It is politically correct politicians fishing for politically correct constituencies using politically correct red herring for bait.

Eric Hoffer, 1951  – “The True Believer – Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements” 
P.11
“When hopes and dreams are loose in the streets, it is well for the timid to lock doors , shutter windows and lie low until the wrath has passed.  For there is often a monstrous incongruity between  the hopes, however noble and tender,  and the actions that follows them.  It is as if ivied maidens and garlanded youths were to herald the four horsemen of the apocalypse. 
And p.12
 “People who see their lives as irremediably spoiled cannot find a worth-while purpose in self-advancement...Their innermost craving is for a new life  –  a rebirth – or failing this, a chance to acquire new elements of pride, confidence, hope, a sense of purpose and worth by an identification with a holy cause.  An active mass movement offers them opportunities for both...” 
and P. 13 
 “ It is true that in the early adherents of a mass movement there are also adventurers who join in the hope that that the movement will give a spin to their wheel of fortune and whirl them to fame and power.”
And 

Eric Hoffer, 1979 – “Before the Sabbath”
p. 7 
“ I am curious about Pechorin, a Russian intellectual of the mid-nineteenth century who wrote a poem on “How sweet it is to hate one’s native land and eagerly await its annihilation.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The danger to the planet is an optical illusion. The cost/benefit of controlling CO2 is just not worth it. There are serious heating issues with heating in the cities, but this is urban. Many more lives are lost from winter weather, and urban heating actually saves lives. There is serious trouble in HIV/Aids, drinkable water, and wasting energy, but critical thinking is required to solve the world’s issues. CO2 is de minimis. Prosperity, however, is being seriously threatened by NGO lobby groups with tunnel vision. Go to the Copenhagen Convention web site to get an update about what needs to be done. It is not heavy industry at fault. It is politically correct politicians fishing for politically correct constituencies using politically correct red herring for bait.</p>
<p>Eric Hoffer, 1951  – “The True Believer – Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements”<br />
P.11<br />
“When hopes and dreams are loose in the streets, it is well for the timid to lock doors , shutter windows and lie low until the wrath has passed.  For there is often a monstrous incongruity between  the hopes, however noble and tender,  and the actions that follows them.  It is as if ivied maidens and garlanded youths were to herald the four horsemen of the apocalypse.<br />
And p.12<br />
 “People who see their lives as irremediably spoiled cannot find a worth-while purpose in self-advancement&#8230;Their innermost craving is for a new life  –  a rebirth – or failing this, a chance to acquire new elements of pride, confidence, hope, a sense of purpose and worth by an identification with a holy cause.  An active mass movement offers them opportunities for both&#8230;”<br />
and P. 13<br />
 “ It is true that in the early adherents of a mass movement there are also adventurers who join in the hope that that the movement will give a spin to their wheel of fortune and whirl them to fame and power.”<br />
And </p>
<p>Eric Hoffer, 1979 – “Before the Sabbath”<br />
p. 7<br />
“ I am curious about Pechorin, a Russian intellectual of the mid-nineteenth century who wrote a poem on “How sweet it is to hate one’s native land and eagerly await its annihilation.”</p>
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		<title>By: Has Global Warming Become Religion? &#171; Terryorisms</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-22395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Has Global Warming Become Religion? &#171; Terryorisms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Has Global Warming Become&#160;Religion? July 2, 2008 Posted by tkcollier in Enviroment, Religion, Science &amp; Technology.  Tags: Global Cooling, Global Warming trackback  Global View - WSJ.com But mother nature has opinions of her own. NASA now begrudgingly confirms that the hottest year on record in the continental 48 was not 1998, as previously believed, but 1934, and that six of the 10 hottest years since 1880 antedate 1954. Data from 3,000 scientific robots in the world&#8217;s oceans show there has been slight cooling in the past five years, never mind that &#8220;80% to 90% of global warming involves heating up ocean waters,&#8221; according to a report by NPR&#8217;s Richard Harris. A discussion of the various measurement models. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Has Global Warming Become&nbsp;Religion? July 2, 2008 Posted by tkcollier in Enviroment, Religion, Science &#38; Technology.  Tags: Global Cooling, Global Warming trackback  Global View &#8211; WSJ.com But mother nature has opinions of her own. NASA now begrudgingly confirms that the hottest year on record in the continental 48 was not 1998, as previously believed, but 1934, and that six of the 10 hottest years since 1880 antedate 1954. Data from 3,000 scientific robots in the world&#8217;s oceans show there has been slight cooling in the past five years, never mind that &#8220;80% to 90% of global warming involves heating up ocean waters,&#8221; according to a report by NPR&#8217;s Richard Harris. A discussion of the various measurement models. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-21330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooops, wrong thread.  My sincere apology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, wrong thread.  My sincere apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-21282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amid the universal clamour for maximum sample periods, may I ask for an inclusion of unadjusted surface data in the mix?  I understand this is a problem for the software with lacunae and all, but otherwise I see no accomodation for my plurality of concern:  The absence of justification for &#039;enlightened&#039; data modification.  I feel ignored, &quot;Reason not the need!&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; The only &quot;unadjusted&quot; surface data in existence in on the B91 forms stored in the basement of NCDC and online as PDF files. Yeah, I&#039;ll get right on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amid the universal clamour for maximum sample periods, may I ask for an inclusion of unadjusted surface data in the mix?  I understand this is a problem for the software with lacunae and all, but otherwise I see no accomodation for my plurality of concern:  The absence of justification for &#8216;enlightened&#8217; data modification.  I feel ignored, &#8220;Reason not the need!&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> The only &#8220;unadjusted&#8221; surface data in existence in on the B91 forms stored in the basement of NCDC and online as PDF files. Yeah, I&#8217;ll get right on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Callahan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-21113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Callahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now all the algorian prius driving knee sock and sandals carbon footprint crowd can say &quot;see working together we can overcome global warming, just look at the temperatures since we, the new patriots, took control of mother nature!&quot; Its the next play from the liberal play book! By the way, check out what the libs are doing for the DNC in Denver. WOA!!! More planet saving ahead for us thank gore!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now all the algorian prius driving knee sock and sandals carbon footprint crowd can say &#8220;see working together we can overcome global warming, just look at the temperatures since we, the new patriots, took control of mother nature!&#8221; Its the next play from the liberal play book! By the way, check out what the libs are doing for the DNC in Denver. WOA!!! More planet saving ahead for us thank gore!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrasich</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-20959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Dubrasich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basil, 

The Hodrick-Prescott analysis just smokes! It is so much more revealing than the loess. Major kudos for your discoveries! When is the paper to be published?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basil, </p>
<p>The Hodrick-Prescott analysis just smokes! It is so much more revealing than the loess. Major kudos for your discoveries! When is the paper to be published?</p>
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		<title>By: A new view on GISS data, per Lucia &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-20928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A new view on GISS data, per Lucia &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] individual bloggers have expressed a strong preference for one particular data set or another. Like Atmoz, I prefer not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] individual bloggers have expressed a strong preference for one particular data set or another. Like Atmoz, I prefer not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: leebert</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-20924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leebert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hadley CRUT temperatures plotted against CO2 levels: 
Note how the two trend lines start to diverge in the 1980&#039;s - temperature is less and less correlated to CO2 levels, which is to be expected. This is because additional CO2 introduced to the atmosphere has less and less warming effect:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg)

Likewise, CO2 has an anticipated modest warming effect and has tracked consistently with actual temperatures except during the warmer 1990&#039;s. But the IPCC projected climate sensitivity to CO2 predicts temperature trends rising exponentially any time now:
(http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg)

The oft-cited paleo record may not be as conclusive as it first appears. There are instances where water vapor unlocked during interglacial periods rises and falls in a pattern unrelated to CO2 levels. Both water vapor and CO2 levels lag temperature increases, and other interesting dyssynchronies appear in the paleo data: (http://i30.tinypic.com/izon5h.jpg)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadley CRUT temperatures plotted against CO2 levels:<br />
Note how the two trend lines start to diverge in the 1980&#8242;s &#8211; temperature is less and less correlated to CO2 levels, which is to be expected. This is because additional CO2 introduced to the atmosphere has less and less warming effect:<br />
(<a href="http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg</a>)</p>
<p>Likewise, CO2 has an anticipated modest warming effect and has tracked consistently with actual temperatures except during the warmer 1990&#8242;s. But the IPCC projected climate sensitivity to CO2 predicts temperature trends rising exponentially any time now:<br />
(<a href="http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg</a>)</p>
<p>The oft-cited paleo record may not be as conclusive as it first appears. There are instances where water vapor unlocked during interglacial periods rises and falls in a pattern unrelated to CO2 levels. Both water vapor and CO2 levels lag temperature increases, and other interesting dyssynchronies appear in the paleo data: (<a href="http://i30.tinypic.com/izon5h.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i30.tinypic.com/izon5h.jpg</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the problem with using linear regression on a time series:
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/05/telling-tall-tales-with-trends.html

Regardless, there are a number of approaches to a &quot;best fit&quot; line that will give you significantly different end points.  For example, on the graph of local temperatures this winter/spring, I used a polynomial 3rd order expression and it shows a slightly declining trend at the end.  The same data with a 4th order results in a somewhat different line.
http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/06/cold-start-to-2008.html

Part of the problem is that the data itself is longer term oscillating more than trending and 10 years may be just the beginning of the down leg of an oscillation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with using linear regression on a time series:<br />
<a href="http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/05/telling-tall-tales-with-trends.html" rel="nofollow">http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/05/telling-tall-tales-with-trends.html</a></p>
<p>Regardless, there are a number of approaches to a &#8220;best fit&#8221; line that will give you significantly different end points.  For example, on the graph of local temperatures this winter/spring, I used a polynomial 3rd order expression and it shows a slightly declining trend at the end.  The same data with a 4th order results in a somewhat different line.<br />
<a href="http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/06/cold-start-to-2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://hallofrecord.blogspot.com/2008/06/cold-start-to-2008.html</a></p>
<p>Part of the problem is that the data itself is longer term oscillating more than trending and 10 years may be just the beginning of the down leg of an oscillation.</p>
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		<title>By: leebert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leebert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like long-term trend lines, they speak volumes:

Hadley CRUT temperatures plotted against CO2 levels. Note how the two trend lines start to diverge in the 1980&#039;s - temperature is less and less correlated to CO2 levels, which is to be expected. This is because additional CO2 introduced to the atmosphere has less and less warming effect:

http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg

Likewise, CO2 has an anticipated modest warming effect and has tracked consistently with actual temperatures except during the warmer 1990&#039;s. But the IPCC projected climate sensitivity to CO2 predicts temperature trends rising exponentially any time now:

http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg    

Unless it can be shown the oceans are absorbing ever more heat - and evidently the Argo data show far lower heat content than expected (as per Kevin Trenberth of NCAR) - the AGWers don&#039;t have a case for dangerous AGW. Less than ideal, perhaps. Dangerous, that remains to be seen.

The higher latitudes are far more responsive to changes. The greatest damage to Greenland&#039;s ice has been caused by snow-warming heat absorbent soot, the effect is greatest at the peripheral glaciers where the sooty runoff accumulates and compounds the effect. Arctic sea ice has suffered from sootfall similarly and wind dynamics have been causing a great deal of recent ice thinning. So the Arctic soot situation - which constitutes something like 20 percent of all warming since the mid 19th century - can be ameliorated.

The Antarctic is not under any grave threat of melt-off, it has been shown to be much drier than modeled (like the ice ages) and less prone to warming. 

The same goes for the Earth&#039;s middle troposphere, also drier than expected by the AGW climat models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like long-term trend lines, they speak volumes:</p>
<p>Hadley CRUT temperatures plotted against CO2 levels. Note how the two trend lines start to diverge in the 1980&#8242;s &#8211; temperature is less and less correlated to CO2 levels, which is to be expected. This is because additional CO2 introduced to the atmosphere has less and less warming effect:</p>
<p><a href="http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i32.tinypic.com/28h3dqh.jpg</a></p>
<p>Likewise, CO2 has an anticipated modest warming effect and has tracked consistently with actual temperatures except during the warmer 1990&#8242;s. But the IPCC projected climate sensitivity to CO2 predicts temperature trends rising exponentially any time now:</p>
<p><a href="http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i27.tinypic.com/25fuk8w.jpg</a>    </p>
<p>Unless it can be shown the oceans are absorbing ever more heat &#8211; and evidently the Argo data show far lower heat content than expected (as per Kevin Trenberth of NCAR) &#8211; the AGWers don&#8217;t have a case for dangerous AGW. Less than ideal, perhaps. Dangerous, that remains to be seen.</p>
<p>The higher latitudes are far more responsive to changes. The greatest damage to Greenland&#8217;s ice has been caused by snow-warming heat absorbent soot, the effect is greatest at the peripheral glaciers where the sooty runoff accumulates and compounds the effect. Arctic sea ice has suffered from sootfall similarly and wind dynamics have been causing a great deal of recent ice thinning. So the Arctic soot situation &#8211; which constitutes something like 20 percent of all warming since the mid 19th century &#8211; can be ameliorated.</p>
<p>The Antarctic is not under any grave threat of melt-off, it has been shown to be much drier than modeled (like the ice ages) and less prone to warming. </p>
<p>The same goes for the Earth&#8217;s middle troposphere, also drier than expected by the AGW climat models.</p>
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		<title>By: lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lucia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zeke--
Fair enough.  

I read the bit you quoted as referring to the climate trend, as it&#039;s my policy to read casual blog comment in a way that makes them correct if at all possible. (Mostly because I know I dash off blog comments quickly, and I figure everyone else does too!)

The link to RC threw me, as, it seems to me, Gavin sets out to rebut some idea that that the IPCC claimed weather itself will increase monotonically.  The individual scenarios are like &quot;weather&quot;, but I don&#039;t think the IPCC is ever understood by anyone to project any individual weather trajectory.

Still, I do see how someone might intepret the person you quoted as thinking the IPCC predicts monotonic weather. The IPCC doesn&#039;t do that, partly because they don&#039;t predict weather. (Partly because weather can&#039;t do that.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeke&#8211;<br />
Fair enough.  </p>
<p>I read the bit you quoted as referring to the climate trend, as it&#8217;s my policy to read casual blog comment in a way that makes them correct if at all possible. (Mostly because I know I dash off blog comments quickly, and I figure everyone else does too!)</p>
<p>The link to RC threw me, as, it seems to me, Gavin sets out to rebut some idea that that the IPCC claimed weather itself will increase monotonically.  The individual scenarios are like &#8220;weather&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t think the IPCC is ever understood by anyone to project any individual weather trajectory.</p>
<p>Still, I do see how someone might intepret the person you quoted as thinking the IPCC predicts monotonic weather. The IPCC doesn&#8217;t do that, partly because they don&#8217;t predict weather. (Partly because weather can&#8217;t do that.)</p>
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		<title>By: jim w</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim w]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the last 80 years there has been an almost straight line rise in CO2 (and esentially the same for the square root of CO2 concentration).  If CO2 is the major cause of temperature rise then you would expect the temperature rise to be a straight line rise proportianal to the square root of the CO2 rise.  This is not what has occured.  This means that other factors are much larger over a 10 to 20 year period and as a result it will probably require another 40 to 60 years before the temperature data will tell us whether CO2 rise is a signifigent concern.  
As it stands now I would say CO2 rise may have a small effect on temperature and it is most likely to be less than 2 F (this small change will be mostly benificial)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last 80 years there has been an almost straight line rise in CO2 (and esentially the same for the square root of CO2 concentration).  If CO2 is the major cause of temperature rise then you would expect the temperature rise to be a straight line rise proportianal to the square root of the CO2 rise.  This is not what has occured.  This means that other factors are much larger over a 10 to 20 year period and as a result it will probably require another 40 to 60 years before the temperature data will tell us whether CO2 rise is a signifigent concern.<br />
As it stands now I would say CO2 rise may have a small effect on temperature and it is most likely to be less than 2 F (this small change will be mostly benificial)</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ghazala Khan from The Pakistani Spectator (TPS)?

Why not Anthony? Seems legit.
AGW alarmists are only going to make life for poor Pakistanis even more difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghazala Khan from The Pakistani Spectator (TPS)?</p>
<p>Why not Anthony? Seems legit.<br />
AGW alarmists are only going to make life for poor Pakistanis even more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Surface Temperatures Trends Through May: Month 89 and counting! &#124; The Blackboard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/23/warming-on-11-year-hiatus-how-about-cooling/#comment-20890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surface Temperatures Trends Through May: Month 89 and counting! &#124; The Blackboard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Nicklin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Nicklin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ric,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You mean just like how financial sites usually have things like 30 and 60 day trend lines in stock price charts?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What did the market trends look like just before the market crash in 1929? Just before the crash, Irving Fisher said, &quot;Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.&quot;

All I&#039;m saying is that while data analysis can help us understand what is happening or, more appropriately, has happened, that same analysis is a blunt tool for predicting the future, immediate or long term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;You mean just like how financial sites usually have things like 30 and 60 day trend lines in stock price charts?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What did the market trends look like just before the market crash in 1929? Just before the crash, Irving Fisher said, &#8220;Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.&#8221;</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that while data analysis can help us understand what is happening or, more appropriately, has happened, that same analysis is a blunt tool for predicting the future, immediate or long term.</p>
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