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	<title>Comments on: NASA&#8217;s Jim Hansen calls for energy company execs to be put on trial</title>
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		<title>By: Antarctic Ice Anomaly At All-Time High</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/22/jim-hansen-calls-for-energy-company-execs-to-be-jailed/#comment-24579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antarctic Ice Anomaly At All-Time High]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] expect to hear about these four on the news—unless Obama wins and the government begins criminal prosecution of global warming skeptics and oil executives, as the evil James Hansen [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: TokyoTom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TokyoTom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, Hansen&#039;s a scientist, not a legislator, prosecutor, judge or jury.  So obviously his expressions are intended for political impact now.

While I don&#039;t condone some of his language, it&#039;s the unfortunate kind of stuff that is unavoidable when we have battles over resources that no one owns (and where resources users don&#039;t bear the full costs of their activities) and so we have people with different economic interests and preferences fighting over how government is used.  I&#039;ve put up several comments on this at &lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at my blog&lt;/a&gt;.

TT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, Hansen&#8217;s a scientist, not a legislator, prosecutor, judge or jury.  So obviously his expressions are intended for political impact now.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t condone some of his language, it&#8217;s the unfortunate kind of stuff that is unavoidable when we have battles over resources that no one owns (and where resources users don&#8217;t bear the full costs of their activities) and so we have people with different economic interests and preferences fighting over how government is used.  I&#8217;ve put up several comments on this at <a href="http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/" rel="nofollow">at my blog</a>.</p>
<p>TT</p>
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		<title>By: bitebybyte</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, I meant to type uranium, not plutonium. Why, you ask, is Uranium-based / nuclear power bad? Mainly, it&#039;s byproducts are a diverse number of radioactive elements (fission doesn&#039;t often split atoms in even twos), many that easily kill humans. Secondly, there is no good plan to store the radioactive waste (Yucca is a no go -- unless you&#039;re a fan of shipping it all cross country) and no good way to &quot;label&quot; it so 10,000 years from now humans will know not to mess with it. I still stand by my position -- the energy must lead now on alternatives/renewables, or we&#039;re all screwed by 2100.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I meant to type uranium, not plutonium. Why, you ask, is Uranium-based / nuclear power bad? Mainly, it&#8217;s byproducts are a diverse number of radioactive elements (fission doesn&#8217;t often split atoms in even twos), many that easily kill humans. Secondly, there is no good plan to store the radioactive waste (Yucca is a no go &#8212; unless you&#8217;re a fan of shipping it all cross country) and no good way to &#8220;label&#8221; it so 10,000 years from now humans will know not to mess with it. I still stand by my position &#8212; the energy must lead now on alternatives/renewables, or we&#8217;re all screwed by 2100.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirck the Noorman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dirck the Noorman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for posting the monthly temp data - amazing so few bother to check Hansen&#039;s predictions against the actual results.

More here:

http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting the monthly temp data &#8211; amazing so few bother to check Hansen&#8217;s predictions against the actual results.</p>
<p>More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f</a></p>
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		<title>By: jeeztheadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeeztheadmin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish to quote a recent Patrick Michaels article in the National Review to elaborate on my above comment:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Patrick Michaels&quot;&gt;Speaking of crimes, what about the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from electioneering? In the hotly contested state of Iowa, on October 26, 2004, Hansen gave a public speech in which he stated that “John Kerry has a far better grasp than President Bush on the important issues that we face.” Kerry lost Iowa by a mere 10,000 votes.

Yet Hansen persists. He recently said “the 2008 election is critical for the planet. If Americans turn out to pasture the most brontosaurian congressmen,” maybe we’ll be able to save the planet from the doom he envisions this century. Hansen also wants to tax fossil fuels, making them much more expensive than they are already.

So even though he predicted too much global warming, and his numbers couldn’t explain the ten-year hiatus we’ve experienced, Hansen keeps trying to sway presidential and congressional contests. And he wants to incarcerate any CEO (or scientist, probably) who casts doubt on his vision in public.

The fact of the matter is: Hansen is out of control. NASA employees aren’t supposed to call for tax hikes, endorse candidates, or attack businessmen. Any other federal employee would be warned for doing so, and if he continued, fired (or worse). You have to hand it to him, though: he’s a single, scientific outlier, terrorizing the American people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hansen should be fired. He is constantly in violation in the Hatch Act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to quote a recent Patrick Michaels article in the National Review to elaborate on my above comment:</p>
<blockquote cite="Patrick Michaels"><p>Speaking of crimes, what about the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from electioneering? In the hotly contested state of Iowa, on October 26, 2004, Hansen gave a public speech in which he stated that “John Kerry has a far better grasp than President Bush on the important issues that we face.” Kerry lost Iowa by a mere 10,000 votes.</p>
<p>Yet Hansen persists. He recently said “the 2008 election is critical for the planet. If Americans turn out to pasture the most brontosaurian congressmen,” maybe we’ll be able to save the planet from the doom he envisions this century. Hansen also wants to tax fossil fuels, making them much more expensive than they are already.</p>
<p>So even though he predicted too much global warming, and his numbers couldn’t explain the ten-year hiatus we’ve experienced, Hansen keeps trying to sway presidential and congressional contests. And he wants to incarcerate any CEO (or scientist, probably) who casts doubt on his vision in public.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is: Hansen is out of control. NASA employees aren’t supposed to call for tax hikes, endorse candidates, or attack businessmen. Any other federal employee would be warned for doing so, and if he continued, fired (or worse). You have to hand it to him, though: he’s a single, scientific outlier, terrorizing the American people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hansen should be fired. He is constantly in violation in the Hatch Act.</p>
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		<title>By: jeeztheadmin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh, 

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with employment rights guarantees. It simply means one cannot be arrested by the government for making statements the government objects to. Private companies and the State are perfectly within their rights to terminate employment of individuals with objectionable positions.

The man is an embarrassment to NASA, whether an embarrassment on the clock or off, he should go.

Also, someone like Hansen cannot testify as a private citizen. When he speaks he carries the weight of his position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh, </p>
<p>Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with employment rights guarantees. It simply means one cannot be arrested by the government for making statements the government objects to. Private companies and the State are perfectly within their rights to terminate employment of individuals with objectionable positions.</p>
<p>The man is an embarrassment to NASA, whether an embarrassment on the clock or off, he should go.</p>
<p>Also, someone like Hansen cannot testify as a private citizen. When he speaks he carries the weight of his position.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo van Druten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timo van Druten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand that he has testified as a private citizen and not as a director of GISS and/or a climate scientist. Therefore, any appeal for his resignation would limit his freedom of speech. As a private citizen he is entitled to freedom of speech just like you and me.

At the same time he can be ignored. His private opinion is as good or bad as ours. Maybe he has studied atmospheric science, but failed to like to look outside and check whether his computer model(s) do meet reality.

I am wondering why he is testifying as a private citizen. If I look at the testimony of 1988 it looks like he acted director of GISS. Do rules within NASA no longer allow him and others to testify in a way he did last Monday?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that he has testified as a private citizen and not as a director of GISS and/or a climate scientist. Therefore, any appeal for his resignation would limit his freedom of speech. As a private citizen he is entitled to freedom of speech just like you and me.</p>
<p>At the same time he can be ignored. His private opinion is as good or bad as ours. Maybe he has studied atmospheric science, but failed to like to look outside and check whether his computer model(s) do meet reality.</p>
<p>I am wondering why he is testifying as a private citizen. If I look at the testimony of 1988 it looks like he acted director of GISS. Do rules within NASA no longer allow him and others to testify in a way he did last Monday?</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pam,

When you say &quot;conquered nations&quot; are you referring to the previous owners before da white man?

When I learned about &quot;Manifest Destiny&quot; in school, I really wanted to believe in it since it was very convenient.  I always felt uneasy about it though and this was way before political correctness.  I had the same problem with &quot;The Monroe Doctrine&quot; too.

I guess I justified every thing eventually because of the alleged superiority of our culture.  I no longer think we are morally superior.

Any excuse for a rhyme:

&lt;i&gt;
My country used to be

We used to be a light on a hill
till we lost patience
and set out to kill.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;conquered nations&#8221; are you referring to the previous owners before da white man?</p>
<p>When I learned about &#8220;Manifest Destiny&#8221; in school, I really wanted to believe in it since it was very convenient.  I always felt uneasy about it though and this was way before political correctness.  I had the same problem with &#8220;The Monroe Doctrine&#8221; too.</p>
<p>I guess I justified every thing eventually because of the alleged superiority of our culture.  I no longer think we are morally superior.</p>
<p>Any excuse for a rhyme:</p>
<p><i><br />
My country used to be</p>
<p>We used to be a light on a hill<br />
till we lost patience<br />
and set out to kill.</i><i></i></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/22/jim-hansen-calls-for-energy-company-execs-to-be-jailed/#comment-21745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see.  We are trying to gain back private control from the Government of our forests here in NE Oregon (years ago they were sold to the Feds with a promise of timber revenues - haha).  We are trying to prevent city ordinances like event fees and regulations.  We are trying to use our water like we used to without interference from conquered nations.  You know.  Leftist stuff like that.

geez]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see.  We are trying to gain back private control from the Government of our forests here in NE Oregon (years ago they were sold to the Feds with a promise of timber revenues &#8211; haha).  We are trying to prevent city ordinances like event fees and regulations.  We are trying to use our water like we used to without interference from conquered nations.  You know.  Leftist stuff like that.</p>
<p>geez</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Pam get up,
and eat your toast,
and tell us what&#039;s happening
on the left coast.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pam get up,<br />
and eat your toast,<br />
and tell us what&#8217;s happening<br />
on the left coast.</i><i></i></p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, Evan.  Without Pam, this would be a lot less fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Evan.  Without Pam, this would be a lot less fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela: #B^1

I consider your input to be valuable.

Hang in there.

(And if all else fails, beat it out of the squeeze!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela: #B^1</p>
<p>I consider your input to be valuable.</p>
<p>Hang in there.</p>
<p>(And if all else fails, beat it out of the squeeze!)</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark: I agree.  At $50, the floor of potential profits from hard to extract oil products, we should see development.  I see that some companies are doing just that.  But it isn&#039;t a boon in development.  And I think the volatility of the market is keeping investors away.  How long should we wait?  I think temporary measures should be taken to stabilize the market, reduce restrictions, and provide temporary incentives to companies and investors to get the ball rolling a bit faster.  All such measures, incentives as well as controls, should be temporary, time limited not result limited, and not up for sunset review when the time comes to end these measures.

Poet: Your attacks are subtle yet still inflammatory.  Saying I would apparently accept dishonest practices and that I am more European instead of American is the stuff of negative campaigning.  And by the way, love the last poem, but I&#039;m full.  I need a rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I agree.  At $50, the floor of potential profits from hard to extract oil products, we should see development.  I see that some companies are doing just that.  But it isn&#8217;t a boon in development.  And I think the volatility of the market is keeping investors away.  How long should we wait?  I think temporary measures should be taken to stabilize the market, reduce restrictions, and provide temporary incentives to companies and investors to get the ball rolling a bit faster.  All such measures, incentives as well as controls, should be temporary, time limited not result limited, and not up for sunset review when the time comes to end these measures.</p>
<p>Poet: Your attacks are subtle yet still inflammatory.  Saying I would apparently accept dishonest practices and that I am more European instead of American is the stuff of negative campaigning.  And by the way, love the last poem, but I&#8217;m full.  I need a rest.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MarkW,

I&#039;ve thought about this for a long time from every angle.  I could probably argue the opposing side better than most bankers.  But despite all the fancy arguments and justifications, it turns out to be a sophisticated cheat invented long ago.  Since then, it has financed wars, caused insane booms ( the Tulip Craze, etc), caused depressions, transferred wealth from the poor to the rich and resulted in the welfare state to compensate the victims of it.

Believing what I do, I would have to be a cold-fish indeed to not be passionate.

But I am willing to listen to reason.  Please give me another single culprit that can account for insane booms, depressions, unnecessary wars, the growth in the welfare state and the fact we still have these things in the 21st century. 

The difference between Hansen and me is he wants to restrict liberty;  I wish to expand it.  Get the government out of the money business.  Allow competing currencies as Ron Paul suggests.  Eliminate legal tender laws.  As for FRB, it is dishonest, but good old fashioned bank runs might keep it in check.

I am the libertarian in this discussion unless I have misunderstood you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkW,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought about this for a long time from every angle.  I could probably argue the opposing side better than most bankers.  But despite all the fancy arguments and justifications, it turns out to be a sophisticated cheat invented long ago.  Since then, it has financed wars, caused insane booms ( the Tulip Craze, etc), caused depressions, transferred wealth from the poor to the rich and resulted in the welfare state to compensate the victims of it.</p>
<p>Believing what I do, I would have to be a cold-fish indeed to not be passionate.</p>
<p>But I am willing to listen to reason.  Please give me another single culprit that can account for insane booms, depressions, unnecessary wars, the growth in the welfare state and the fact we still have these things in the 21st century. </p>
<p>The difference between Hansen and me is he wants to restrict liberty;  I wish to expand it.  Get the government out of the money business.  Allow competing currencies as Ron Paul suggests.  Eliminate legal tender laws.  As for FRB, it is dishonest, but good old fashioned bank runs might keep it in check.</p>
<p>I am the libertarian in this discussion unless I have misunderstood you.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[poet,

Your problem is not your passion, it&#039;s that you let your passion for an idea override your critical thinking abilities.

Yes, you can find a few cranks who think modern banking is a scam.  You can also find hundreds of others who will shred the arguments of the cranks like so much holiday confetti.

Your passion for an idea causes you to read only those authors who agree with the position you want to believe in and ignore all the others.

That&#039;s why I compared you to an AGW believer, and Rothbard to Hansen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poet,</p>
<p>Your problem is not your passion, it&#8217;s that you let your passion for an idea override your critical thinking abilities.</p>
<p>Yes, you can find a few cranks who think modern banking is a scam.  You can also find hundreds of others who will shred the arguments of the cranks like so much holiday confetti.</p>
<p>Your passion for an idea causes you to read only those authors who agree with the position you want to believe in and ignore all the others.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I compared you to an AGW believer, and Rothbard to Hansen.</p>
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