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		<title>By: Ronnie Day</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/10/noaa-thems-fightin-words/#comment-23291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronnie Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Serious? American recreational deep-water anglers DO NOT catch 100’s of millions of game fish every year.
Of course they do,10 years ago it was esimated that their were 14 million recreational fishing trips made in Fla alone each year,the population has increased by 60 percent in the last ten years.

Tamara,there are still states that don&#039;t have a license requirement for salt water. The CCA&#039;s director in Fla favorite saying is &quot;economic rent&quot; when a user group takes from a public resource.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serious? American recreational deep-water anglers DO NOT catch 100’s of millions of game fish every year.<br />
Of course they do,10 years ago it was esimated that their were 14 million recreational fishing trips made in Fla alone each year,the population has increased by 60 percent in the last ten years.</p>
<p>Tamara,there are still states that don&#8217;t have a license requirement for salt water. The CCA&#8217;s director in Fla favorite saying is &#8220;economic rent&#8221; when a user group takes from a public resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/10/noaa-thems-fightin-words/#comment-18534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;my gosh that fish has a big mouth!&lt;/cite&gt;

That there is one regulation striped type bass. Looks to be a good ten-pounder.

Pamela, I hear you. I never hunted, but I fished quite a lot back in the day.

I wanted to &quot;hunt&quot;. My cousin from Texas asked me out to shoot some deer. I decided that I had a considerable desire to bruise and terrify, but not to kill. So I asked if I could haul along a paint gun and &quot;mark&quot; a deer or two. He said he&#039;d check. He got back to me and said it was legal to shoot deer with a rifle or a crossbow. But to nail it with a paint gun was &quot;inhumane&quot;. 

The end result was that I didn&#039;t go--so I went back to hunting . . . people!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>my gosh that fish has a big mouth!</cite></p>
<p>That there is one regulation striped type bass. Looks to be a good ten-pounder.</p>
<p>Pamela, I hear you. I never hunted, but I fished quite a lot back in the day.</p>
<p>I wanted to &#8220;hunt&#8221;. My cousin from Texas asked me out to shoot some deer. I decided that I had a considerable desire to bruise and terrify, but not to kill. So I asked if I could haul along a paint gun and &#8220;mark&#8221; a deer or two. He said he&#8217;d check. He got back to me and said it was legal to shoot deer with a rifle or a crossbow. But to nail it with a paint gun was &#8220;inhumane&#8221;. </p>
<p>The end result was that I didn&#8217;t go&#8211;so I went back to hunting . . . people!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/10/noaa-thems-fightin-words/#comment-18533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I have done my part to reduce the excess piscine population.

I got my own regulations: You gotta release anything you don&#039;t eat unharmed (minus what you seine for bait) and you gotta clean what you keep. (I never went for anything that was limited.)

But it looks as if the times they are a-changing and my fond memories have (yet again) been adjudicated as thought-crimes . . . (your taxpayer dollars at work).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have done my part to reduce the excess piscine population.</p>
<p>I got my own regulations: You gotta release anything you don&#8217;t eat unharmed (minus what you seine for bait) and you gotta clean what you keep. (I never went for anything that was limited.)</p>
<p>But it looks as if the times they are a-changing and my fond memories have (yet again) been adjudicated as thought-crimes . . . (your taxpayer dollars at work).</p>
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		<title>By: leebert</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill P:
&quot;...But wrt CO2, haven’t we reached a turning point?&quot;

Simply: No. 

Hansen&#039;s smoking gun of a large &quot;heat bucket&quot; that lay in a temporal pipeline as a latent reservoir of buffered heat in the seas has not only not been found, but the principal researcher Kevin Trenberth at NCAR thinks that the missing heat radiated back out into space.

Yes the seas have warmed, but not as much as was feared. If the heat has radiated back into space then the oft-cited heat budget imbalance must not be an accurate measure. The fact of the matter is that there could well be heat escaping back into space without our knowing it, perhaps via the ENSO phenomenon.

Likewise studies are showing a generally drier mid- and upper-atmosphere as well as a drier Antarctic, all demonstrating that without the humidity we will not experience a dangerous warming. 

Some warming? Yes. Dangerous warming? There will be no &quot;tipping point.&quot;

The current temperature trend reveals this in the ongoing temperature plateau continues: That despite the increasing levels of CO2, temperatures have stayed about even since 1997 (excluding the &#039;98 el Nino outlier). 

Meanwhile the warming-only scientists are predicting a near-exponential catch-up rise in temperatures by 2015. This is patently absurd ... where&#039;s the latent heat hiding if not in the seas? If it&#039;s supposed to rise almost exponentially to catch up to the head-start from accelerated CO2 concentrations why aren&#039;t we then warming now? 

Sea temperatures, however, DO lag behind one large natural driver of temperatures on the Earth: The Sun. The seas heat content lags by about 6 years ( 2- 10 ), warming takes about 2 - 4 years and offloading the heat another 4 - 6.

Until the early 1990&#039;s the sun had been at its most brilliant in nearly 10,000 years, and the hottest year we had was the 1998 el Nino! 

Since then the sun has dimmed sufficiently to lend to a -0.1 degrC reduction in average solar irradiance, and we&#039;re due for another -0.1 to -0.2 degrC decrease in solar influence. That&#039;s a lot, a potential -0.3 degrC (nearly an entire watt per sq. meter) which was modeled as the requisite low-end temperature decrease that drove the onset of the Little Ice Age.

Considering we&#039;re nearly 0.8 degrC above the temperatures of the early 1800&#039;s, a modest -0.3 degrC net decrease by 2020 mightn&#039;t bother people too much. 

If natural variations are sufficient to mask the CO2 signal then the CO2 signal isn&#039;t that strong, is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill P:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;But wrt CO2, haven’t we reached a turning point?&#8221;</p>
<p>Simply: No. </p>
<p>Hansen&#8217;s smoking gun of a large &#8220;heat bucket&#8221; that lay in a temporal pipeline as a latent reservoir of buffered heat in the seas has not only not been found, but the principal researcher Kevin Trenberth at NCAR thinks that the missing heat radiated back out into space.</p>
<p>Yes the seas have warmed, but not as much as was feared. If the heat has radiated back into space then the oft-cited heat budget imbalance must not be an accurate measure. The fact of the matter is that there could well be heat escaping back into space without our knowing it, perhaps via the ENSO phenomenon.</p>
<p>Likewise studies are showing a generally drier mid- and upper-atmosphere as well as a drier Antarctic, all demonstrating that without the humidity we will not experience a dangerous warming. </p>
<p>Some warming? Yes. Dangerous warming? There will be no &#8220;tipping point.&#8221;</p>
<p>The current temperature trend reveals this in the ongoing temperature plateau continues: That despite the increasing levels of CO2, temperatures have stayed about even since 1997 (excluding the &#8217;98 el Nino outlier). </p>
<p>Meanwhile the warming-only scientists are predicting a near-exponential catch-up rise in temperatures by 2015. This is patently absurd &#8230; where&#8217;s the latent heat hiding if not in the seas? If it&#8217;s supposed to rise almost exponentially to catch up to the head-start from accelerated CO2 concentrations why aren&#8217;t we then warming now? </p>
<p>Sea temperatures, however, DO lag behind one large natural driver of temperatures on the Earth: The Sun. The seas heat content lags by about 6 years ( 2- 10 ), warming takes about 2 &#8211; 4 years and offloading the heat another 4 &#8211; 6.</p>
<p>Until the early 1990&#8242;s the sun had been at its most brilliant in nearly 10,000 years, and the hottest year we had was the 1998 el Nino! </p>
<p>Since then the sun has dimmed sufficiently to lend to a -0.1 degrC reduction in average solar irradiance, and we&#8217;re due for another -0.1 to -0.2 degrC decrease in solar influence. That&#8217;s a lot, a potential -0.3 degrC (nearly an entire watt per sq. meter) which was modeled as the requisite low-end temperature decrease that drove the onset of the Little Ice Age.</p>
<p>Considering we&#8217;re nearly 0.8 degrC above the temperatures of the early 1800&#8242;s, a modest -0.3 degrC net decrease by 2020 mightn&#8217;t bother people too much. </p>
<p>If natural variations are sufficient to mask the CO2 signal then the CO2 signal isn&#8217;t that strong, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: leebert</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RonnieDay:
&quot;..100’s of millions of fish that the recreational fishing industry..&quot;

Serious?  American recreational deep-water anglers DO NOT catch 100&#039;s of millions of game fish every year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RonnieDay:<br />
&#8220;..100’s of millions of fish that the recreational fishing industry..&#8221;</p>
<p>Serious?  American recreational deep-water anglers DO NOT catch 100&#8242;s of millions of game fish every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear ya Pam. In Wahsington State you have to use barb-less hooks, which usually means getting the pliers out and pinching the barbs so the hook is smooth. Makes it a lot more difficult to bring the fish in. One twist in the wrong direction and they&#039;re loose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya Pam. In Wahsington State you have to use barb-less hooks, which usually means getting the pliers out and pinching the barbs so the hook is smooth. Makes it a lot more difficult to bring the fish in. One twist in the wrong direction and they&#8217;re loose.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I no longer enjoy fishing.  I don&#039;t fish at all.  When young, we lived on fish every Friday.  The local priest even sent us his &quot;beyond the limit&quot; catch.  Sorry, but regulations much further back than this one took all the joy out for me.  I caught fish to eat them.  Free fish was better than a store bought steak any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Especially on Sundays.  I&#039;m not about to get my cheater glasses on to check for fins or no fins.  If it bites my hook and I land it, it will be eaten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I no longer enjoy fishing.  I don&#8217;t fish at all.  When young, we lived on fish every Friday.  The local priest even sent us his &#8220;beyond the limit&#8221; catch.  Sorry, but regulations much further back than this one took all the joy out for me.  I caught fish to eat them.  Free fish was better than a store bought steak any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  Especially on Sundays.  I&#8217;m not about to get my cheater glasses on to check for fins or no fins.  If it bites my hook and I land it, it will be eaten.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Florida</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom in Florida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A little rebellion now and then...is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. &quot; Thomas Jefferson

Perhaps the time grows ever closer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A little rebellion now and then&#8230;is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. &#8221; Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>Perhaps the time grows ever closer.</p>
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		<title>By: ForBog'sSake</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ForBog'sSake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BAD: The ACLU is concerned only with left-of-PC articles in the Bill of Rights. They have never, for example, taken on any abuse of Second Amendment rights, despite a plethora of egregious examples, many resulting in the death of law-abiding citizens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAD: The ACLU is concerned only with left-of-PC articles in the Bill of Rights. They have never, for example, taken on any abuse of Second Amendment rights, despite a plethora of egregious examples, many resulting in the death of law-abiding citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: beautifulbint</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/10/noaa-thems-fightin-words/#comment-18466</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my gosh that fish has a big mouth!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my gosh that fish has a big mouth!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the State of Falling Bridges we have one hope:  That enforcement is becoming too expensive to execute.
I&#039;m looking to Britain for experiential input.  The police no longer attempt to protect, but rather merely enforce greenery among the law-abiding.   
Yet, we note the fuel riots have started.  There are grievances aplenty as the economics has begun turning grim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the State of Falling Bridges we have one hope:  That enforcement is becoming too expensive to execute.<br />
I&#8217;m looking to Britain for experiential input.  The police no longer attempt to protect, but rather merely enforce greenery among the law-abiding.<br />
Yet, we note the fuel riots have started.  There are grievances aplenty as the economics has begun turning grim.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What will the penalty be for non-registration and who is the enforcing body?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will the penalty be for non-registration and who is the enforcing body?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Arndt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jeeztheadmin 

The best way to vote for the president is to take a sticky toy and throw it at the touch screen.

&lt;strong&gt;Reply: &lt;/strong&gt;You can just call me jeez. I needed a different username for this gig as my normal nom de plume was not available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeeztheadmin </p>
<p>The best way to vote for the president is to take a sticky toy and throw it at the touch screen.</p>
<p><strong>Reply: </strong>You can just call me jeez. I needed a different username for this gig as my normal nom de plume was not available.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congress is the legislation making body of the federal government. NOAA is nobody. They have no constitutional authority to levy taxes or fees. The bureaucrats who attempt to do this should get fired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress is the legislation making body of the federal government. NOAA is nobody. They have no constitutional authority to levy taxes or fees. The bureaucrats who attempt to do this should get fired.</p>
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		<title>By: jeeztheadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeeztheadmin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure if Anthony wants candidate discussions here.  The above post was approved with caution. Let&#039;s not have a bunch of counter posts about the leanings of various candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Anthony wants candidate discussions here.  The above post was approved with caution. Let&#8217;s not have a bunch of counter posts about the leanings of various candidates.</p>
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