Comments on: NOAA reports on our cooler than normal spring

By: trampledclass

trampledclass — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:33:31 +0000

Are you saying that when it comes to climate change BBC is like the slanted FOX NEWS NETWORK when it comes to politics?

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By: Alex Cull

Alex Cull — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:36:31 +0000

M White wrote: “I’d just like to inform everyone that the BBC has become a priest in Church of Global Warming.”

This is something I have noticed too – the BBC does put a great deal of pro-AGW spin in their reports; no way are they even attempting to be objective. And when data emerges that contradicts the “emerging truth” of global warming – they don’t tend to report it. Look on the BBC news website for anything to do with the Argo system of buoys, which recently reported oceanic cooling since 2003, and I don’t think you will find any coverage for the last few years. Or how about the German Polarstern expedition, which recently discovered that the deep ocean around Antarctica is cooling? Nope, nothing about that either. Yet if you look in the Science/Nature section now, you will find an article about the New Zealand government urging the citizens to kick the “carbon habit”. Yes, that will be reported because it’s on-message. I like the BBC in other ways, as they often make decent TV programmes, and I watch the BBC morning news, but when it comes to anything to do with climate, the environment etc., it’s well to be aware that they have a very obvious bias.

By: Pamela Gray

Pamela Gray — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:28:18 +0000

I would have rather seen temps based on geographic ecosystem areas: Mountains, plains, valleys, high desert, low desert, temperate forest, etc.

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By: bikermailman

bikermailman — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:16:26 +0000

That Texas average of above normal for May, dunno about that here in the Panhandle. We were below normal in may until the last week or so. Big state, funny how they get an average for it that is reliable for the individual area.

By: William

William — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:27:21 +0000

It wasn’t the 34th coolest, it was the 79th warmest on record (2008-1895-34). See how easy it is to warm things up?

By: McGrats

McGrats — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:32:26 +0000

papertiger wrote: “We’ve had like two days of warm weather this year in Sacramento Cal. The rest has averaged 10 degrees below normal. And NOAA calls that neutral.”

As I viewed the report ealier, I was dwelling along those same lines: what are these “near normal” and “neutral” things? What range do they cover? And as far as that goes, what makes an average temp fall in certain range anyhow? What are the parameters… or is it simply a “fudge” factor devised by the Pogies to morph one set of figures into a “box” so it doesn’t make their agenda look so bad?

Jack Koenig, Editor
The Mycterious Climate Project
http://www.climateclinic.com

By: Steve in SC

Steve in SC — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:26:33 +0000

Down here in SC May was very comfy.
In June it is like somebody threw a switch. For the last week we have been within reach of record highs. No rain for the last 6 weeks either. The temperature will be what it will be but if anybody has any spare rain, send it my way.

By: M White

M White — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:56:50 +0000

I’d just like to inform everyone that the BBC has become a priest in Church of Global Warming.
Last year it reported on the results of an experiment to predict the future impact of “Global Warming” using distributed computing. Full details of this experiment can be seen at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/climateexperiment/

Given that the BBC is one of the worlds most respected news organisations it doesn’t seem to present an unbiased view, you’d be hard pressed to find an alternate view on what drives the worlds climate.

By: Steve H

Steve H — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:34:55 +0000

“But there is no freakin’ way that hundreds of years of progress is going anywhere.”

I nominate this as the quote of the day!

By: Roger Carr

Roger Carr — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:39:55 +0000

Evan Jones (19:09): “But there is no freakin’ way that hundreds of years of progress is going anywhere.”
Sweet, Evan! Great line (you’ll make “Rev” yet…).

By: papertiger

papertiger — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:38:58 +0000

We’ve had like two days of warm weather this year in Sacramento Cal. The rest has averaged 10 degrees below normal.
And NOAA calls that neutral. The bozos are definitely running the show.

By: Tom in Texas

Tom in Texas — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:42:27 +0000

“Perhaps cooler temperatures will accelerate global warming.”

Then we get even cooler temps still. This global warming feedback will send us into the LIA, or over a tipping point into a real ice age.

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:09:40 +0000

SteveS:

You are probably correct as far as the temperatures are concerned. And yes, bozos are, and remain, bozos.

But there is no freakin’ way that hundreds of years of progress is going anywhere.

There will be growth. Lower growth, yes, But growth. There is an incredible power at work. We are at the “economic tipping point” at the gateway ro “runaway wealth”. The only way that could be stopped is by asinine politics. It is very probably beyond the power of mother nature alone.

You seem to buy into the notion that modern tech is less relsilient than the simplicity of the past. It ain’t so. Ireland starved for decades on account of a cooling and the wrong sort of potato. That could never happen in this day and age. Our adaptive power is awesome. And unappreciated!

Sheesh! You make my off-center quotes on the solar threads seem optimistic!

By: Bill in Vigo

Bill in Vigo — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:03:44 +0000

Here in Alabama it has been a cool spring especially as compared to 2007. June thus far is quite warm but is still a few degrees less than last year. I just have an idea that June may be a more average month than the first 5 of the year but will likely be cooler than the 30 year average. Just have to wait and see. One thing is we have surface moisture this year and more clouds than last.

Just thinking,

Bill Derryberry

By: Steve Stip

Steve Stip — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:58:07 +0000

oops, if it takes till 2102 we are doomed. I meant 2012.

By: Retired Engineer

Retired Engineer — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:52:38 +0000

swampie: “Berlin is not in ruins. I order you not to believe it” A.H. 1945
“The world is not cooling. I order you not to believe it” A.G. 2008

Some folks will fall for anything.

By: swampie

swampie — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:32:50 +0000

“Better” depends on your point of view. If you want to cleanse Gaia of some of her excess humans, colder would be what you want.

If you are a farmer, you probably want warmer.

And if you want to sneak onto Ted Turner’s property for a righteous buffalo hunt in Montana, it might be easier to get away if there aren’t blizzard conditions. But I could be wrong about that.

By: John Goetz

John Goetz — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:02:02 +0000

On the one hand those who fear global warming should celebrate this report, as it implies the onset of disaster has been delayed somewhat.

On the other hand, cooler temperatures does mean folks are turning on the heat later in the year than normal. And when that happens, fossil fuels are burned and more CO2 is released into the atmosphere. Perhaps cooler temperatures will accelerate global warming.

So which is better? Warmer or cooler temperatures?