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		<title>By: Global Warming - Page 76 - Volconvo Debate Forums</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-20658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming - Page 76 - Volconvo Debate Forums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] campfires today contribute to GW so I guess we&#8217;d all be singing around a dim solar walkway light. No More Singing Around the Campfire: Too Much C02 « Watts Up With That?  Additionally, The founder of Greenpeace.org&#8217;s resignation posts:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming - Page 76 - Volconvo Debate Forums</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-20144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Warming - Page 76 - Volconvo Debate Forums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] campfires today contribute to GW so I gues we&#8217;d all be singing around a dim solar walkway light. No More Singing Around the Campfire: Too Much C02 « Watts Up With That?  The founder of Greenpeace.org&#8217;s resignation posts:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Warwick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warwick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to believe that we as a society allow people with such little common sense have so much control over our lives.

I&#039;d like to just say &quot;what a bunch of half-wits&quot; but then, we allow them to do it so who&#039;s really stupid here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to believe that we as a society allow people with such little common sense have so much control over our lives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to just say &#8220;what a bunch of half-wits&#8221; but then, we allow them to do it so who&#8217;s really stupid here?</p>
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		<title>By: NOAA: Them&#8217;s fightin&#8217; words &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NOAA: Them&#8217;s fightin&#8217; words &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] organizations like NOAA. Last week is was bonfires on the beach in Seattle being considered for a ban due to &#8220;CO2 concerns&#8221;, this week it&#8217;s fishing on the open ocean. For me, this is a tipping [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] organizations like NOAA. Last week is was bonfires on the beach in Seattle being considered for a ban due to &#8220;CO2 concerns&#8221;, this week it&#8217;s fishing on the open ocean. For me, this is a tipping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pablo an ex pat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pablo an ex pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now if the camp fires burned tropical hardwood which had been cut down to make room for Palm Oil Plantations needed to feed the European demand for Bio Diesel that would be OK wouldn&#039;t it ?  Bio Diesel is green isn&#039;t it ?  

Burning the Indonesian forest, and more especially the peat layer underneath, to make way for Palm Oil Plantations creates so much CO2 that Indonesia is now the worlds 5th largest emitter of CO2. More CO2 comes from Indonesian forest burning alone than comes from the tail pipes of all the automobiles on the planet combined. 

The ridiculous restrictions, laws and penalties do serve a purpose however, they really tick off ordinary people. Which is what we saw in the recent Mayoral Election in London. The two term incumbent Red Ken was rejected in favor of a more pragmatic Conservative.

In the UK their are moves to ban outdoor propane heaters. Many bars bought these to keep the smokers warm when they dashed out for a smoke between beers.  The heaters create CO2, a miniscule amount when considered against all other sources but that&#039;s not the point in gesture politics. And it has a double benefit as the smokers can be further punished by being made to be cold while indulging their habit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if the camp fires burned tropical hardwood which had been cut down to make room for Palm Oil Plantations needed to feed the European demand for Bio Diesel that would be OK wouldn&#8217;t it ?  Bio Diesel is green isn&#8217;t it ?  </p>
<p>Burning the Indonesian forest, and more especially the peat layer underneath, to make way for Palm Oil Plantations creates so much CO2 that Indonesia is now the worlds 5th largest emitter of CO2. More CO2 comes from Indonesian forest burning alone than comes from the tail pipes of all the automobiles on the planet combined. </p>
<p>The ridiculous restrictions, laws and penalties do serve a purpose however, they really tick off ordinary people. Which is what we saw in the recent Mayoral Election in London. The two term incumbent Red Ken was rejected in favor of a more pragmatic Conservative.</p>
<p>In the UK their are moves to ban outdoor propane heaters. Many bars bought these to keep the smokers warm when they dashed out for a smoke between beers.  The heaters create CO2, a miniscule amount when considered against all other sources but that&#8217;s not the point in gesture politics. And it has a double benefit as the smokers can be further punished by being made to be cold while indulging their habit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Stip</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Stip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce,

Yes burning wood properly is tricky.  I am no expert but I can thing of a few things:  catalytic converters, exhaust recirculation,  computer control,  and exhaust filters.   

My chief point is that life is far too complicated for a few people at the top to be making decisions for the rest of us.  It wastes resources and discourages innovation.  Government is FORCE.  There is a need for force sometimes but let&#039;s keep this to a minimum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>Yes burning wood properly is tricky.  I am no expert but I can thing of a few things:  catalytic converters, exhaust recirculation,  computer control,  and exhaust filters.   </p>
<p>My chief point is that life is far too complicated for a few people at the top to be making decisions for the rest of us.  It wastes resources and discourages innovation.  Government is FORCE.  There is a need for force sometimes but let&#8217;s keep this to a minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Middleton</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-17926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Middleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incite a riot.  Mob mentality.  Green is good.  Crooks and morons. Burn the witches. Government.  

Professional politicians have caused the Parks to think &#039;funding&#039; first, common sense last.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incite a riot.  Mob mentality.  Green is good.  Crooks and morons. Burn the witches. Government.  </p>
<p>Professional politicians have caused the Parks to think &#8216;funding&#8217; first, common sense last.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cobb</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-17841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Cobb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even with the more modern wood stoves, the amount of air pollution they emit is very much dependent upon the operator, and on their choice of material they burn.  Sad, but true.  No easy answers, I&#039;m afraid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with the more modern wood stoves, the amount of air pollution they emit is very much dependent upon the operator, and on their choice of material they burn.  Sad, but true.  No easy answers, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Stip</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-17830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Stip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pam,

So what is extraordinary about a one-size-fits-all government rule?  And if you are in favor of big government then don&#039;t complain when it bites you.

Still, pollution is a community concern and could be properly addressed by government.  Perhaps if government quit concerning itself about things it has no proper business in then it could do its proper jobs better.  And think of all the money private citizens would have to by non-polluting wood stoves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,</p>
<p>So what is extraordinary about a one-size-fits-all government rule?  And if you are in favor of big government then don&#8217;t complain when it bites you.</p>
<p>Still, pollution is a community concern and could be properly addressed by government.  Perhaps if government quit concerning itself about things it has no proper business in then it could do its proper jobs better.  And think of all the money private citizens would have to by non-polluting wood stoves.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ban on wood burning stoves include DEQ stoves.  No ban on driving though.  No ban on factory exhaust.  No ban on anything other than private citizen wood burning.  Think about it.  This seems a political move.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban on wood burning stoves include DEQ stoves.  No ban on driving though.  No ban on factory exhaust.  No ban on anything other than private citizen wood burning.  Think about it.  This seems a political move.</p>
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		<title>By: deadwood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deadwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela:

In the PNW cities are dem whether on the west or east side of the Cascades. On the East side, this is largely a result of demographics with Hispanics being in greater numbers in those urban areas.

In Yakima, Pendleton, Spokane, and Bend its much the same. As second and third generations of Hispanics have reached voting age they support the party that provided them with support.

So don&#039;t be too surprised to hear of these stories. They will become more common as more Hispanics reach voting age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela:</p>
<p>In the PNW cities are dem whether on the west or east side of the Cascades. On the East side, this is largely a result of demographics with Hispanics being in greater numbers in those urban areas.</p>
<p>In Yakima, Pendleton, Spokane, and Bend its much the same. As second and third generations of Hispanics have reached voting age they support the party that provided them with support.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t be too surprised to hear of these stories. They will become more common as more Hispanics reach voting age.</p>
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		<title>By: G.R. Mead</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.R. Mead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez wrote:  ... The world is heating up badâ€¦ Misery ... 

Reminds me of the song from the old country music/humor show &quot;Hee-haw&quot;:

&quot;Dooooom, despaaair, 
and agony on me ...
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo

Deep, dark depression,
excessive misery ...
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo 

If it weren&#039;t fer bad luck
I&#039;d have no luck at all ...
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo

Doooom, despaaaair, 
and agony on meeeeeee ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez wrote:  &#8230; The world is heating up badâ€¦ Misery &#8230; </p>
<p>Reminds me of the song from the old country music/humor show &#8220;Hee-haw&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dooooom, despaaair,<br />
and agony on me &#8230;<br />
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo</p>
<p>Deep, dark depression,<br />
excessive misery &#8230;<br />
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo </p>
<p>If it weren&#8217;t fer bad luck<br />
I&#8217;d have no luck at all &#8230;<br />
[sliding wail] OoowOOoooooooo</p>
<p>Doooom, despaaaair,<br />
and agony on meeeeeee &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cobb</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/06/no-more-singing-around-the-campfire-too-much-c02/#comment-17700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Cobb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to this site we exhale about 21L C02/hour at rest (468L air x .0445% C02), and 213L during vigorous exercise:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?&lt;a href=&quot;xml=/opinion/2004/10/11/do1102.xml&amp;sSheet=/opinion/2004/10/11/ixopinion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Take the car and save the planet&lt;/a&gt;.
Singing tends to require quite a bit of air, particularly if you like to &#039;belt&#039; them out, so figure at least 100 - 150 L/hour of C02 produced for that activity.  According to AGW theology, it would be best for Gaia if everyone just stayed home, and did nothing whatsoever (unless we decide to take the ultimate sacrifice), and most especially, nothing remotely vigorous (yes, none of that, you know what that leads to - more of us!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this site we exhale about 21L C02/hour at rest (468L air x .0445% C02), and 213L during vigorous exercise:<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml</a>?<a href="xml=/opinion/2004/10/11/do1102.xml&amp;sSheet=/opinion/2004/10/11/ixopinion.html" rel="nofollow">Take the car and save the planet</a>.<br />
Singing tends to require quite a bit of air, particularly if you like to &#8216;belt&#8217; them out, so figure at least 100 &#8211; 150 L/hour of C02 produced for that activity.  According to AGW theology, it would be best for Gaia if everyone just stayed home, and did nothing whatsoever (unless we decide to take the ultimate sacrifice), and most especially, nothing remotely vigorous (yes, none of that, you know what that leads to &#8211; more of us!).</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take a close look at the data...the earth has not warmed in a decade and I recently read that Dr. James Hansen of NASA (Gore&#039;s science advisor) has been &quot;cooking the books&quot; on surface temperature change.(ref.www.icecap.us)

Congrat&#039;s to all of you who have your eye&#039;s wide open, there&#039;s surly more falderal to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a close look at the data&#8230;the earth has not warmed in a decade and I recently read that Dr. James Hansen of NASA (Gore&#8217;s science advisor) has been &#8220;cooking the books&#8221; on surface temperature change.(ref.www.icecap.us)</p>
<p>Congrat&#8217;s to all of you who have your eye&#8217;s wide open, there&#8217;s surly more falderal to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan S. Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan S. Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a sketchy note that indicates that a human produces 15L/hour of CO2 &#039;at rest&#039;, and 45L/hour &#039;moderate activity&#039;. Does anyone have an actual reference for this sort of information, particularly if it goes into more detail? (Sleeping vs sitting vs walking vs triathalon etc.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a sketchy note that indicates that a human produces 15L/hour of CO2 &#8216;at rest&#8217;, and 45L/hour &#8216;moderate activity&#8217;. Does anyone have an actual reference for this sort of information, particularly if it goes into more detail? (Sleeping vs sitting vs walking vs triathalon etc.)</p>
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