Comments on: Army Chief Scientist: “Sun’s turbulent dynamics” driving climate

By: leebert

leebert — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:01:47 +0000

Also:

http://i29.tinypic.com/hx44ci.jpg

Note the effects of surface ozone, it’s almost equal to methane. This is however IPCC 2001, so the aerosol effect is biased as having a net cooling effect. Note their potential total forcing for solar.

By: leebert

leebert — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:56:27 +0000

http://i27.tinypic.com/5nkp4o.jpg

Prof. Dr. Werner K. Schmutz
Director PMOD/WRC
Davos, Switzerland

Fractions of solar irradiance variations due to solar surface magnetism (lower limit estimates):
Solar rotation time scale: > 90%
Activity cycle time scale: > 90%
Secular (centuries) time scale: ?

Status: magnetic evolution can be modeled (contribution of other sources is unknown)
UV modeling
fair progress – not yet solved
UV influence on climate
ozone reaction understood
tropospheric climate response only about 50% of the estimated solar influence

By: Zeke

Zeke — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:34:37 +0000

Bob,

I realize they are using PSS. My question is how they get from a flat TSI to a positive PSS, as it is not discussed in this specific paper. I’ll take a look at N. Scafetta, B.J. West, J. Geophys. Res. 2007. to see if I can wrap my head around it.

By: Gary Gulrud

Gary Gulrud — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:40:09 +0000

kim:

Shocked I am, you’re a stitch.

By: Bob Tisdale

Bob Tisdale — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:07:05 +0000

Zeke: Those are not ACRIM and PMOD TSI curves. Those are the contributions of phenomenological solar signature (PSS) on climate for ACRIM and PMOD, which are what Scafetta and West calculate to be the effects on global temperature of those TSI sources. The paper and the references are reasonably easy reading.

By: Zeke

Zeke — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:49:10 +0000

Hmm, the plot of the ACRIM data in the Scafetta and West article seems somewhat odd. Here is my plot of ACRIM over the past 30 years:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/hausfath/ACRIM.jpg

And PMOD/GISS:
http://yaleclimatemediaforum.org/pics/0508_ccm_FigTwo.jpg

Neither shows anything like the red line in S&W.

By: SteveSadlov

SteveSadlov — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:01:57 +0000

Even on its worst day during a Maunder-like minimum, the USA is Eden compared with the northern 2/3 of Eurasia. And that fact will be noticed and acted upon. Same threat level in places like SE Asia, far Southern Europe, much of Africa, much of South America, all of Australia. Others will want what you have, and will act to exterminate you and take it.

By: SteveSadlov

SteveSadlov — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:58:35 +0000

RE: George Bruce (06:44:15) :

You’ll be lucky if 10 years from now you are not on the run from invasion forces from the Eastern Hemisphere. Well, at long last there will be unity in the US … unity to survive as a people.

By: kim

kim — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:56:53 +0000

After two centuries of warming the matching marble man and maiden nudes at opposite ends of a garden courtyard unbent and came to life. After all this time of gazing at each other, they had plans. But Gaia appeared as from a Baby’s Breath, and warned them that they had only an hour before the cold returned to still their yearning limbs. They hastily repaired to the bush, from whence grunts, moans and squeals of delight emanated for about fifteen minutes before they emerged hand in hand with big ::grins:: on their faces. Surprised, Gaia reminded them that they still had three quarters of an hour left before their fate returned. The one quickly turned to the other and said with ouright joy “Alright, this time you hold the pigeon down, and I’ll shit on it”.
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By: Stan

Stan — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:47:48 +0000

“The indoctrination is so great and the understanding of any of it so poor that I fear for future generations. Science in schools has become so politicised.”

It’s just as bad in 5-11 yr old education, Dennis. My kids have been bombarded with the “CO2 is a pollutant” belief repeatedly and to such an extent that when I explained that without CO2 we’d all be dead they were incredulous.

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:17:35 +0000

Kim: Oooh, yeah. Right you are.

Ingratitude, thou marble-hearted fiend!

And it gives us a proper theological basis for the current observations.

You see, she gets what she wants
‘Cause she’s heart and soul
She’s hot and cold
She’s got it all

By: kim

kim — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:59:35 +0000

Gaia thought she was doing us a favor by heating up. Beware the wrath of a Goddess spurned; she might freeze up on ya’.
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By: George Bruce

George Bruce — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:44:15 +0000

I wonder if in ten years anyone will be allowed to criticize Richard Hansen or AlGore.

By: jerry bono

jerry bono — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:38:30 +0000

If the Americans are freezing then the Canadians will be really freezing!

By: Alex Cull

Alex Cull — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:13:39 +0000

Evan Jones wrote: “One ethnic group, united at last. The chattering classes?”

Everyone’s teeth will be chattering, at least!