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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/28/trouble-in-the-uk-a-green-tax-rebellion-is-afoot/#comment-17026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just thought I&#039;d point out that one of those excerpts is from Nick Clegg.  

For non-US readers (and most UK readers too!) he is the leader of the Liberal Democrats, the UK&#039;s third political party.  So his opinion may be somewhat biased!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d point out that one of those excerpts is from Nick Clegg.  </p>
<p>For non-US readers (and most UK readers too!) he is the leader of the Liberal Democrats, the UK&#8217;s third political party.  So his opinion may be somewhat biased!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EJ:

Unjustified with respect to the Indian Mutiny, the Boxer Rebellion or the Mau Mau Uprising, perhaps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EJ:</p>
<p>Unjustified with respect to the Indian Mutiny, the Boxer Rebellion or the Mau Mau Uprising, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff todd</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/28/trouble-in-the-uk-a-green-tax-rebellion-is-afoot/#comment-16234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the taxes on fuel are completely mad.

Government says that it will raise taxes to make you use less fuel.

1.  If it works, Government actually raises less tax.
2.  If it fails Government should have a windfall to put away for a rainy day.
3.  Government just blows the dough and raises fuel taxes for more - cos&#039; yopu cannot avoid paying it.

Big question for Governments and Enviros - where will all the missing tax going to come from if we stop driving cars/use tap water?  Taxing motorists for using oil is one thing, taxing them for NOT using oil as a solution may be a little more difficult to sell.

At least for the first time in their lives Greenies will have to pay their fair share of running the country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the taxes on fuel are completely mad.</p>
<p>Government says that it will raise taxes to make you use less fuel.</p>
<p>1.  If it works, Government actually raises less tax.<br />
2.  If it fails Government should have a windfall to put away for a rainy day.<br />
3.  Government just blows the dough and raises fuel taxes for more &#8211; cos&#8217; yopu cannot avoid paying it.</p>
<p>Big question for Governments and Enviros &#8211; where will all the missing tax going to come from if we stop driving cars/use tap water?  Taxing motorists for using oil is one thing, taxing them for NOT using oil as a solution may be a little more difficult to sell.</p>
<p>At least for the first time in their lives Greenies will have to pay their fair share of running the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/28/trouble-in-the-uk-a-green-tax-rebellion-is-afoot/#comment-16198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GREAT NEWS!

The cap-and-trade bill is DEAD. The senate realized it was one of those &quot;10%-off-the-top&quot;  economic deals.

Chalk one up &quot;for the children&quot;. (Those who would otherwise have starved.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT NEWS!</p>
<p>The cap-and-trade bill is DEAD. The senate realized it was one of those &#8220;10%-off-the-top&#8221;  economic deals.</p>
<p>Chalk one up &#8220;for the children&#8221;. (Those who would otherwise have starved.)</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/28/trouble-in-the-uk-a-green-tax-rebellion-is-afoot/#comment-16153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Please, just issue a retraction,/cite&gt;

My pov is that the &lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;result&lt;/cite&gt; was the best, most glorious thing that ever occurred in all of human history and probably saved human civilization..

But &lt;cite&gt;justification&lt;/cite&gt; and &lt;cite&gt;result&lt;/cite&gt; are not the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Please, just issue a retraction,/cite&gt;</p>
<p>My pov is that the </cite><cite>result</cite> was the best, most glorious thing that ever occurred in all of human history and probably saved human civilization..</p>
<p>But <cite>justification</cite> and <cite>result</cite> are not the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Florida</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/28/trouble-in-the-uk-a-green-tax-rebellion-is-afoot/#comment-16142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom in Florida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lads: &quot;C’mon Tone, leave the liberal politics at home...&quot; 

I assume a typo (Tom not Tone). My last point on these off topic posts. Libertarians are not liberals. Libertarians believe in as little government as possible, and more specifically that the US government needs to go back to doing only those things that are allowed by the Constitution. including getting rid of the income tax.  The most disturbing thing that I continually hear from politicians is that we the people are given rights by the government through the Constitution when that is 100% ass backwards.  Through the Constitution, we the people have given our government limited powers over us in order secure our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 

&quot;and focus on climate and other important stuff.&quot;

If we do not focus on the politics involved in this climate change scam, we will all end up losers.  The motivation for all this is redistributin of wealth and control over people. It is the politicians who hold all the cards at this moment so we had better indeed focus on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lads: &#8220;C’mon Tone, leave the liberal politics at home&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I assume a typo (Tom not Tone). My last point on these off topic posts. Libertarians are not liberals. Libertarians believe in as little government as possible, and more specifically that the US government needs to go back to doing only those things that are allowed by the Constitution. including getting rid of the income tax.  The most disturbing thing that I continually hear from politicians is that we the people are given rights by the government through the Constitution when that is 100% ass backwards.  Through the Constitution, we the people have given our government limited powers over us in order secure our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. </p>
<p>&#8220;and focus on climate and other important stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we do not focus on the politics involved in this climate change scam, we will all end up losers.  The motivation for all this is redistributin of wealth and control over people. It is the politicians who hold all the cards at this moment so we had better indeed focus on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EJ:
&quot;Never, ever in the history of mankind was there less justification for revolution!&quot;

&quot;But this is so off topic that we really should just agree to disagree.&quot;

Please,  just issue a retraction; running away under the white flag only to mutter bravely out of earshot is so unseemly.

And while we&#039;re covering that sort of behavior,

lads:
&quot;A rather naive post, and promoting liberal politics on top of that.&quot;

Opacity of intent when tossing out insults smacks of cowardice on this side of the pond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EJ:<br />
&#8220;Never, ever in the history of mankind was there less justification for revolution!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But this is so off topic that we really should just agree to disagree.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please,  just issue a retraction; running away under the white flag only to mutter bravely out of earshot is so unseemly.</p>
<p>And while we&#8217;re covering that sort of behavior,</p>
<p>lads:<br />
&#8220;A rather naive post, and promoting liberal politics on top of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Opacity of intent when tossing out insults smacks of cowardice on this side of the pond.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DaleH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t the stated purpose of the run up in taxes on Petrol last decade was to suppress demand by increasing cost?  I would think the people have a legitimate complaint, since I haven&#039;t seen news of petrol taxes being scaled back with the increase of cost of oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the stated purpose of the run up in taxes on Petrol last decade was to suppress demand by increasing cost?  I would think the people have a legitimate complaint, since I haven&#8217;t seen news of petrol taxes being scaled back with the increase of cost of oil.</p>
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		<title>By: lads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A rather naive post, and promoting liberal politics on top of that.

Taxes on oil products in Europe have existed long before Al Gore came to be a senator and Jimbo Hansen decided it was too hot inside his office. The main objective of these taxes is to hinder dependence on oil.

Of course in the US this has been made in a different fashion, and hence the much healthier economy of the country (and its currency) when compared to Europe.

C&#039;mon Tone, leave the liberal politics at home and focus on climate and other important stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather naive post, and promoting liberal politics on top of that.</p>
<p>Taxes on oil products in Europe have existed long before Al Gore came to be a senator and Jimbo Hansen decided it was too hot inside his office. The main objective of these taxes is to hinder dependence on oil.</p>
<p>Of course in the US this has been made in a different fashion, and hence the much healthier economy of the country (and its currency) when compared to Europe.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Tone, leave the liberal politics at home and focus on climate and other important stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Sometimes you must temper your lofty ideals with the reality that you gotta break other people’s heads sometimes in order to keep yours safe.&lt;/cite&gt;

What part of that is not a lofty ideal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Sometimes you must temper your lofty ideals with the reality that you gotta break other people’s heads sometimes in order to keep yours safe.</cite></p>
<p>What part of that is not a lofty ideal?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeroth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The government works for the public, not the other way around.&quot;

Exactly, the public as a whole... not sectional, selfish interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The government works for the public, not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, the public as a whole&#8230; not sectional, selfish interests.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Hansford.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.Hansford.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 07:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not that tired old socialist slogan, &quot;power to the people&quot;..... But rather a more apt one for the Free market society.

     &quot; Power to the enterprising individuals of society, at the cheapest possible price....&quot; 

      ... Or else feed yer&#039;selves....     : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that tired old socialist slogan, &#8220;power to the people&#8221;&#8230;.. But rather a more apt one for the Free market society.</p>
<p>     &#8221; Power to the enterprising individuals of society, at the cheapest possible price&#8230;.&#8221; </p>
<p>      &#8230; Or else feed yer&#8217;selves&#8230;.     : )</p>
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		<title>By: BIG problems in the UK? America is not alone in the energy issue. &#124; JERSEY-BARKER</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BIG problems in the UK? America is not alone in the energy issue. &#124; JERSEY-BARKER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom in Florida</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom in Florida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan:&quot;Thank you for your service.

No need, I went into the military for purely selfish reasons. I only made the point because the post was referring to Libertarian ideals. Sometimes you must temper your lofty ideals with the reality that you gotta break other people&#039;s heads sometimes in order to keep yours safe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan:&#8221;Thank you for your service.</p>
<p>No need, I went into the military for purely selfish reasons. I only made the point because the post was referring to Libertarian ideals. Sometimes you must temper your lofty ideals with the reality that you gotta break other people&#8217;s heads sometimes in order to keep yours safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;but I have also spend a good amount of time in the military.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;

Thank you for your service.

Zeroth: There&#039;s nothing wrong with hoofing it. But that&#039;s not the point. The point is the damage or lack of damage caused by CO2 emissions.

I have no dog in the fight. (And no car.) I walk everywhere. But that is my free choice and I wouldn&#039;t dream of imposing it on others.

If CO2 is seriously harmful, then yes, there is every reason for the government to limit it. But if it isn&#039;t, there is no reason to limit it and if folks want to get a lift down the block that&#039;s their own darn business and part of the role of government is to accommodate by building the necessary infrastructure. If it doesn&#039;t, that&#039;s a strike against in an election.

That&#039;s the point.

The government works for the public, not the other way around.&lt;/cite&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>but I have also spend a good amount of time in the military.</cite><cite></p>
<p>Thank you for your service.</p>
<p>Zeroth: There&#8217;s nothing wrong with hoofing it. But that&#8217;s not the point. The point is the damage or lack of damage caused by CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>I have no dog in the fight. (And no car.) I walk everywhere. But that is my free choice and I wouldn&#8217;t dream of imposing it on others.</p>
<p>If CO2 is seriously harmful, then yes, there is every reason for the government to limit it. But if it isn&#8217;t, there is no reason to limit it and if folks want to get a lift down the block that&#8217;s their own darn business and part of the role of government is to accommodate by building the necessary infrastructure. If it doesn&#8217;t, that&#8217;s a strike against in an election.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point.</p>
<p>The government works for the public, not the other way around.</cite></p>
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