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	<title>Comments on: NASA sends &#8220;The Weather Rock&#8221; to Mars</title>
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		<title>By: Блог Юрия Акопова : &#34;Погоды стоят предсказанные&#34;</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-24062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Блог Юрия Акопова : &#34;Погоды стоят предсказанные&#34;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] NASA sends &quot;The Weather Rock&quot; to Mars: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: bullishmoves</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-16434</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bullishmoves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s still a big achievement, no matter what the cost was.  But, it makes one ask is this the where our taxes go?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still a big achievement, no matter what the cost was.  But, it makes one ask is this the where our taxes go?</p>
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		<title>By: Eltentwelve</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-16427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eltentwelve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhm... wow. Budget cuts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm&#8230; wow. Budget cuts?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-16161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarification of my previous post:  The reason Summer on Triton is unusually intense recently, is that Triton lies somewhat on its side.  At one point in Neptune&#039;s orbit around the Sun, Triton&#039;s south pole points almost directly at the Sun and therefore its ice evaporates a lot, which reduces the pole&#039;s reflectance of sunlight, which causes the land to absorb more sunlight, and increases the atmospheric retention of heat, all of which increases the land and atmospheric temperature for the whole globe.  At the opposite point in Neptune&#039;s 165-year orbit around the Sun, Triton&#039;s north pole goes through the same thing so the whole globe warms again.  In between those two points in Neptune&#039;s orbit, both of Triton&#039;s poles point perpendicular to the Sun, so the polar ice caps are fairly protected, so they accumulate more ice, reflect more sunlight, the atmosphere thins, and the globe cools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification of my previous post:  The reason Summer on Triton is unusually intense recently, is that Triton lies somewhat on its side.  At one point in Neptune&#8217;s orbit around the Sun, Triton&#8217;s south pole points almost directly at the Sun and therefore its ice evaporates a lot, which reduces the pole&#8217;s reflectance of sunlight, which causes the land to absorb more sunlight, and increases the atmospheric retention of heat, all of which increases the land and atmospheric temperature for the whole globe.  At the opposite point in Neptune&#8217;s 165-year orbit around the Sun, Triton&#8217;s north pole goes through the same thing so the whole globe warms again.  In between those two points in Neptune&#8217;s orbit, both of Triton&#8217;s poles point perpendicular to the Sun, so the polar ice caps are fairly protected, so they accumulate more ice, reflect more sunlight, the atmosphere thins, and the globe cools.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-16158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela Gray wrote &quot;what are the odds that each and everyone [planet] has gotten warmer in concert with one another in the last few decades?&quot;

Answer:  There is nothing to explain.  The all-planets correlation is a myth.  We have very little knowledge of the global temperatures of any planets, moons, and other solar system bodies even in the short term, let alone the years that would be required to establish such a correlation.  For those we know something about, not all are warming.  The &quot;all of Jupiter is warming&quot; myth started from the news that some local areas of Jupiter were warming, resulting in or caused by local storms.  Ignored by the mythmakers was the fact that other local areas of Jupiter were cooling.  News of Triton warming was selectively repeated by omitting the attendant fact that Triton (with Neptune) was in an unusually intense Summer.  Summer lasts a long time there, because Triton (with Neptune) takes 165 Earth years to go around the Sun.  So we have to wait a really long time to see if Triton is warming overall--averaged across seasons.

Links to sources, and more details, can be found here, among other places:  http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela Gray wrote &#8220;what are the odds that each and everyone [planet] has gotten warmer in concert with one another in the last few decades?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer:  There is nothing to explain.  The all-planets correlation is a myth.  We have very little knowledge of the global temperatures of any planets, moons, and other solar system bodies even in the short term, let alone the years that would be required to establish such a correlation.  For those we know something about, not all are warming.  The &#8220;all of Jupiter is warming&#8221; myth started from the news that some local areas of Jupiter were warming, resulting in or caused by local storms.  Ignored by the mythmakers was the fact that other local areas of Jupiter were cooling.  News of Triton warming was selectively repeated by omitting the attendant fact that Triton (with Neptune) was in an unusually intense Summer.  Summer lasts a long time there, because Triton (with Neptune) takes 165 Earth years to go around the Sun.  So we have to wait a really long time to see if Triton is warming overall&#8211;averaged across seasons.</p>
<p>Links to sources, and more details, can be found here, among other places:  <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/" rel="nofollow">http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-16111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears that many other planets have undergone recent climate change.  We know that Mars has experienced a change as shown by its icecaps.  Jupiter has also undergone a recent change (believed to be warmer at the equator, colder at the poles).  Most theorists have separate explanations for each one, given that each one has its own set of gas cloud chemicals, wind, gravity, etc, in the environment.  However, given that very set up, what are the odds that each and everyone has gotten warmer in concert with one another in the last few decades?  If they also get colder in the next couple (or more?) decades, it would seem the odds would stack against coincidence and be more in favor of a single source for all planets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that many other planets have undergone recent climate change.  We know that Mars has experienced a change as shown by its icecaps.  Jupiter has also undergone a recent change (believed to be warmer at the equator, colder at the poles).  Most theorists have separate explanations for each one, given that each one has its own set of gas cloud chemicals, wind, gravity, etc, in the environment.  However, given that very set up, what are the odds that each and everyone has gotten warmer in concert with one another in the last few decades?  If they also get colder in the next couple (or more?) decades, it would seem the odds would stack against coincidence and be more in favor of a single source for all planets.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-15985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great weather update from Mars and the Phoenix weather station,  Anthony.  Going to be difficult to survey, though.

8.5 millibars!  And Venus at 95 bar.   This really is prime realestate, I&#039;m sure we&#039;d all agree,  for a blessed moment in reflection.  Ah, well, glad thats over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great weather update from Mars and the Phoenix weather station,  Anthony.  Going to be difficult to survey, though.</p>
<p>8.5 millibars!  And Venus at 95 bar.   This really is prime realestate, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;d all agree,  for a blessed moment in reflection.  Ah, well, glad thats over.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-15909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 03:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, the plasma stream hitting all planets in our solar system appears to be ignored, not only on Mars, but here on Earth.  I am shocked by how many cosmic ray instruments are no longer active.  See:

http://spidr.ngdc.noaa.gov/spidr/index.jsp

If cosmic rays (referred to as plasma, which are in simple terms atom particles and pieces) have been shown to be somehow involved in cloud formation, it would seem logical to actively and continuously measure these particles.  Now would be the time and place to do exactly that, given that our magnetic field is down.

Maybe meteorologists and climatologists just aren&#039;t interested in chemistry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the plasma stream hitting all planets in our solar system appears to be ignored, not only on Mars, but here on Earth.  I am shocked by how many cosmic ray instruments are no longer active.  See:</p>
<p><a href="http://spidr.ngdc.noaa.gov/spidr/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://spidr.ngdc.noaa.gov/spidr/index.jsp</a></p>
<p>If cosmic rays (referred to as plasma, which are in simple terms atom particles and pieces) have been shown to be somehow involved in cloud formation, it would seem logical to actively and continuously measure these particles.  Now would be the time and place to do exactly that, given that our magnetic field is down.</p>
<p>Maybe meteorologists and climatologists just aren&#8217;t interested in chemistry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/27/nasa-sends-the-weather-rock-to-mars/#comment-15895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beyond the weather rock, Phoenix does have a Canadian weather station.  A little pricey at $37,000,000, but if a mass market ever develops the price will come down dramatically.  I wonder if it came with a 90 day warranty?

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hRLbX9aY2zFmsynoKE3AJijefD2w

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The daily weather reports will include temperature, atmospheric pressure, cloud height, humidity and wind speeds.

&quot;We have a mast that sticks up from the deck of the station and it measures temperatures at three spots on the mast so we can characterize the climate on the surface,&quot; Whiteway said in an interview.

Macdonald, Dettwiler and Associates, the company better known as MDA, is the prime contractor for the weather station, in partnership with Optech International of Vaughan, Ont.

A specially developed Canadian laser instrument known as a &quot;lidar&quot; will be used to track clouds around the landing area.

&quot;We&#039;ll take measurements of clouds and determine how much ice water is actually held within the clouds,&quot; Whiteway said.

&quot;One of the questions for understanding water on Mars is the role that clouds play and that&#039;s the one we will address.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, at least they appreciate clouds.  That&#039;s more than I can say about some climatologists!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the weather rock, Phoenix does have a Canadian weather station.  A little pricey at $37,000,000, but if a mass market ever develops the price will come down dramatically.  I wonder if it came with a 90 day warranty?</p>
<p><a href="http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hRLbX9aY2zFmsynoKE3AJijefD2w" rel="nofollow">http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hRLbX9aY2zFmsynoKE3AJijefD2w</a></p>
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The daily weather reports will include temperature, atmospheric pressure, cloud height, humidity and wind speeds.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have a mast that sticks up from the deck of the station and it measures temperatures at three spots on the mast so we can characterize the climate on the surface,&#8221; Whiteway said in an interview.</p>
<p>Macdonald, Dettwiler and Associates, the company better known as MDA, is the prime contractor for the weather station, in partnership with Optech International of Vaughan, Ont.</p>
<p>A specially developed Canadian laser instrument known as a &#8220;lidar&#8221; will be used to track clouds around the landing area.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ll take measurements of clouds and determine how much ice water is actually held within the clouds,&#8221; Whiteway said.</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the questions for understanding water on Mars is the role that clouds play and that&#8217;s the one we will address.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, at least they appreciate clouds.  That&#8217;s more than I can say about some climatologists!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as michael Fish doesn&#039;t read the weather data I think the martians will be just fine :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as michael Fish doesn&#8217;t read the weather data I think the martians will be just fine :)</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[saskboy/Ric Werme:

There is another form of &quot;dust gauge&quot; that has been used by the MER rovers. They photograph the Sun every day, and by measuring the brightness of the solar disc one gets a direct measurement of the optical depth (tau) of the atmosphere and thereby of the amount of dust in it. This is a very important parameter in Martian meteorology which has a strong effect on both thw temperature and the height(!) of the atmosphere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saskboy/Ric Werme:</p>
<p>There is another form of &#8220;dust gauge&#8221; that has been used by the MER rovers. They photograph the Sun every day, and by measuring the brightness of the solar disc one gets a direct measurement of the optical depth (tau) of the atmosphere and thereby of the amount of dust in it. This is a very important parameter in Martian meteorology which has a strong effect on both thw temperature and the height(!) of the atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[19thkiller/pohlse/alinaphoenix:

Perhaps you might want to explain to NASA how to make a better wind measurement device. But remember it must:

1. be simple
2. be very light
3. work below -100 degrees centigrade
4. require no electrical power
5. require no lubrication 
6. work at an atmospheric pressure of 8 mb
7. be insensitive to dust
8. survive &gt;9 g and extreme vibration levels
9. survive about a year in vacuum
10. work for at least 6 months without maintenance or calibration

Lots of luck, guys!

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I think the big distinction here is the realization now that the &quot;Telltale&quot; wasn&#039;t intended for a meteorological instrument as its primary function. The primary function was to enable the camera to snap a photo, so they could see the wind across the lander, so that they&#039;d know if the robotic arm might likely have soil blown out of the scoop or not while the soil payload was enroute to the inlet chute. If the soil got blown onto the top of the lander, it could clog/disrupt some of it&#039;s systems.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19thkiller/pohlse/alinaphoenix:</p>
<p>Perhaps you might want to explain to NASA how to make a better wind measurement device. But remember it must:</p>
<p>1. be simple<br />
2. be very light<br />
3. work below -100 degrees centigrade<br />
4. require no electrical power<br />
5. require no lubrication<br />
6. work at an atmospheric pressure of 8 mb<br />
7. be insensitive to dust<br />
8. survive &gt;9 g and extreme vibration levels<br />
9. survive about a year in vacuum<br />
10. work for at least 6 months without maintenance or calibration</p>
<p>Lots of luck, guys!</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I think the big distinction here is the realization now that the &#8220;Telltale&#8221; wasn&#8217;t intended for a meteorological instrument as its primary function. The primary function was to enable the camera to snap a photo, so they could see the wind across the lander, so that they&#8217;d know if the robotic arm might likely have soil blown out of the scoop or not while the soil payload was enroute to the inlet chute. If the soil got blown onto the top of the lander, it could clog/disrupt some of it&#8217;s systems.</p>
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		<title>By: alinaphoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alinaphoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG   :::gigglefits:::

Nasa sent a Weather Rock to Mars!

Too funny.

Remind me why we pay these guys the big bucks?

Weather Rock on Earth - Prices range from free -&gt; $9.99

Nasa Weather Rock - $11.26 million

The laugh you get when realizing Nasa just put a weather rock on mars - Priceless

I wonder if anyone ever told them it was a joke?

Namaste,
Lina]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG   :::gigglefits:::</p>
<p>Nasa sent a Weather Rock to Mars!</p>
<p>Too funny.</p>
<p>Remind me why we pay these guys the big bucks?</p>
<p>Weather Rock on Earth &#8211; Prices range from free -&gt; $9.99</p>
<p>Nasa Weather Rock &#8211; $11.26 million</p>
<p>The laugh you get when realizing Nasa just put a weather rock on mars &#8211; Priceless</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone ever told them it was a joke?</p>
<p>Namaste,<br />
Lina</p>
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		<title>By: pohlse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pohlse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A weather rock on Mars. Now that&#039;s funny stuff! 

Perhaps the next mission can drop off a sundial and a wind sock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A weather rock on Mars. Now that&#8217;s funny stuff! </p>
<p>Perhaps the next mission can drop off a sundial and a wind sock.</p>
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		<title>By: 19thkiller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[19thkiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I could think about was OMG WTF LOL
That&#039;s the best thing NASA&#039;s got? 
A weather rock?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously, with all the progress in science, a weather rock?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I could think about was OMG WTF LOL<br />
That&#8217;s the best thing NASA&#8217;s got?<br />
A weather rock?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>Seriously, with all the progress in science, a weather rock?</p>
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