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		<title>By: Tom Loffman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/22/a-little-perspective/#comment-35953</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Loffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have created a web page summarizing all the latest solar, climatic, and geophysical data sets relating to the current state of our climate. You might find it a convenient place to get data and graphics of interest on these subjects.

http://changing-climate.com/

...Tom Loffman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have created a web page summarizing all the latest solar, climatic, and geophysical data sets relating to the current state of our climate. You might find it a convenient place to get data and graphics of interest on these subjects.</p>
<p><a href="http://changing-climate.com/" rel="nofollow">http://changing-climate.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;Tom Loffman</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keep</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/22/a-little-perspective/#comment-19091</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem as if the sun is &#039;waking up&#039; at the moment. Beautiful prominences are appearing all over the sun.http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_304/1024/latest.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem as if the sun is &#8216;waking up&#8217; at the moment. Beautiful prominences are appearing all over the sun.http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_304/1024/latest.html</p>
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		<title>By: deepslope</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/22/a-little-perspective/#comment-16566</link>
		<dc:creator>deepslope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about that!

http://www.sciencedaily.comÂ­/releases/2008/05/080530154103.htm

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about that!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.comÂ­/releases/2008/05/080530154103.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.comÂ­/releases/2008/05/080530154103.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: deepslope</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/22/a-little-perspective/#comment-16366</link>
		<dc:creator>deepslope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this from GISS: Space. ScienceDaily 31 May 2008. 1 June 2008 .

any comments on relevance to the cosmic ray/cloud nucleation contributions?

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I think you missed the URL. just cust aps paste it, don&#039;t use tags</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this from GISS: Space. ScienceDaily 31 May 2008. 1 June 2008 .</p>
<p>any comments on relevance to the cosmic ray/cloud nucleation contributions?</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I think you missed the URL. just cust aps paste it, don&#8217;t use tags</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the sun most interesting when it is void of spots, and deceptively sound asleep.  The sun&#039;s less visible but beautiful aspects can be seen, photographed, measured, etc.  Plus with the magnetic field disengaged, the entire universe can be studied.  I think past correlations of solar minimums with severe temperature changes attests to the terrible and magnificent quiet sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the sun most interesting when it is void of spots, and deceptively sound asleep.  The sun&#8217;s less visible but beautiful aspects can be seen, photographed, measured, etc.  Plus with the magnetic field disengaged, the entire universe can be studied.  I think past correlations of solar minimums with severe temperature changes attests to the terrible and magnificent quiet sun.</p>
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		<title>By: It's Raining - DebateAnything.com</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/22/a-little-perspective/#comment-15819</link>
		<dc:creator>It's Raining - DebateAnything.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 08:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Pete, I was just trying to get things into proportion, and work out if I could actually see any curvature of the Sun or if it was just my imagination (I think it is my imagination).

&quot;The height of the prominences that can be seen here is about 5x the diameter of the Earth or about 60,000km.&quot;  Ouch, that is big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Pete, I was just trying to get things into proportion, and work out if I could actually see any curvature of the Sun or if it was just my imagination (I think it is my imagination).</p>
<p>&#8220;The height of the prominences that can be seen here is about 5x the diameter of the Earth or about 60,000km.&#8221;  Ouch, that is big.</p>
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		<title>By: A little perspective Â« Watts Up With That? &#171; Terryorisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>A little perspective Â« Watts Up With That? &#171; Terryorisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A little perspective Â« Watts Up With&#160;That? May 26, 2008 Posted by tkcollier in cool stuff.  trackback  A little perspective Â« Watts Up With That? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction: the earth rises about 30cms, not meters

http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/p93/PDF/PAC1993_0044.PDF

and for a measurement of earth tides


http://www.okgeosurvey1.gov/tide.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction: the earth rises about 30cms, not meters</p>
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<p>and for a measurement of earth tides</p>
<p><a href="http://www.okgeosurvey1.gov/tide.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.okgeosurvey1.gov/tide.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting datum from the search:

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17397

i Not only do tides raise and lower ice shelves, they can eat away the ice shelves from underneath. Such tidal activity may have played a role in ice shelf loss, such as the calving of the Larsen Ice Shelf in 1995. GRACE has also provided information on the location of grounding lines, the place where the underside of the ice shelf parts with the land surface and is underlain only by water. C.K. Shum, one of the researchers on this project, suspects that the previous placements of grounding lines have been off by hundreds of meters.

fish and ye shall find</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting datum from the search:</p>
<p><a href="http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17397" rel="nofollow">http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17397</a></p>
<p>i Not only do tides raise and lower ice shelves, they can eat away the ice shelves from underneath. Such tidal activity may have played a role in ice shelf loss, such as the calving of the Larsen Ice Shelf in 1995. GRACE has also provided information on the location of grounding lines, the place where the underside of the ice shelf parts with the land surface and is underlain only by water. C.K. Shum, one of the researchers on this project, suspects that the previous placements of grounding lines have been off by hundreds of meters.</p>
<p>fish and ye shall find</p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anthony,

I have a question for the readers of this blog, and do not know where to post it, so sorry if I am off subject.

I have been wondering about the tides, lunar, and whether there is any study of how much gravitational energy enters the system ( watts per meter square would be nice),  to see whether they are relevant in the  construction of the models for the earth climate.

I know that even the continents move up a few meters with the tide: the LEP accelerator had to take the second order movement into account from what I remember. That seems like a lot of energy to me, that in the end would dissipate into thermal motion and therefore temperature. Also tides affect oceans from top to bottom, and there are high tides and low tides, depending on the position of the moon. Can they set the water swirling like soup in a plate? What about longer term eccentricities of the moon orbit?

 I will be looking on the web, but maybe somebody has a link to a study with numbers already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anthony,</p>
<p>I have a question for the readers of this blog, and do not know where to post it, so sorry if I am off subject.</p>
<p>I have been wondering about the tides, lunar, and whether there is any study of how much gravitational energy enters the system ( watts per meter square would be nice),  to see whether they are relevant in the  construction of the models for the earth climate.</p>
<p>I know that even the continents move up a few meters with the tide: the LEP accelerator had to take the second order movement into account from what I remember. That seems like a lot of energy to me, that in the end would dissipate into thermal motion and therefore temperature. Also tides affect oceans from top to bottom, and there are high tides and low tides, depending on the position of the moon. Can they set the water swirling like soup in a plate? What about longer term eccentricities of the moon orbit?</p>
<p> I will be looking on the web, but maybe somebody has a link to a study with numbers already.</p>
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		<title>By: deadwood05</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another of the great benefits of living in this time and in this civilization. These fruits of our technology are a direct result of the burning of fossil fuels. The fuels that created the energy that were used to build our civilization. 

Next time you are told of the evils of this great civilization remember this image, the awe it generated, the technologies that gave you the ability received it, and what was necessary to create that technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another of the great benefits of living in this time and in this civilization. These fruits of our technology are a direct result of the burning of fossil fuels. The fuels that created the energy that were used to build our civilization. </p>
<p>Next time you are told of the evils of this great civilization remember this image, the awe it generated, the technologies that gave you the ability received it, and what was necessary to create that technology.</p>
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		<title>By: endochick</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is amazing. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,

I enjoyed watching your video clips - or are they a series of photos?  Very interesting.  Would you mind sharing how they were taken? (And when?)

Also, as a science neophyte, I&#039;d be interested in knowing something about the physics:  What is the photo showing?  The plasma in the photo on this page, for example, seems to be flowing along the lines of a single magnetic field.  The photo in the link you provided gives a similar impression; taken together, the two suggest that there are multiple magnetic fields along the sun&#039;s surface.  Do I get any points for this observation?  

Do these small (spherical) fields have anything to do with sunspots?

Thanks, Bill P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,</p>
<p>I enjoyed watching your video clips &#8211; or are they a series of photos?  Very interesting.  Would you mind sharing how they were taken? (And when?)</p>
<p>Also, as a science neophyte, I&#8217;d be interested in knowing something about the physics:  What is the photo showing?  The plasma in the photo on this page, for example, seems to be flowing along the lines of a single magnetic field.  The photo in the link you provided gives a similar impression; taken together, the two suggest that there are multiple magnetic fields along the sun&#8217;s surface.  Do I get any points for this observation?  </p>
<p>Do these small (spherical) fields have anything to do with sunspots?</p>
<p>Thanks, Bill P</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stef:  There is an Earth for scale on there - hence my Wow!  Based on the times on the title (about 8 minutes) and an animation repeat time of around a second, I&#039;d guess this is around 500 times real time.  

Considering the sizes involved, that&#039;s stunningly fast - if you estimate the plume at the bottom covers an Earth diameter in 8 minutes, I make it travelling at roughly 60,000 MPH.

Pete:  Lovely work!  (have I got these numbers right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stef:  There is an Earth for scale on there &#8211; hence my Wow!  Based on the times on the title (about 8 minutes) and an animation repeat time of around a second, I&#8217;d guess this is around 500 times real time.  </p>
<p>Considering the sizes involved, that&#8217;s stunningly fast &#8211; if you estimate the plume at the bottom covers an Earth diameter in 8 minutes, I make it travelling at roughly 60,000 MPH.</p>
<p>Pete:  Lovely work!  (have I got these numbers right?)</p>
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		<dc:creator>Oh the humidity of it all! &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Want to see the sun getting rained on by plasma? Click here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pete Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stef - the original Spaceweather animation was taken over a time period of 7 minutes. The capture was done at 17 frames per second (the prominence was faint and so the capture rate had to be kept this low) and 150 frames were captured every minute. The resulting 8 sets of 150 frames were individually processed so that each set distilled into just a single frame - an astro imaging technique to reduce image noise and improve the overall look of the image. I could see individual points of bright plasma on my laptop&#039;s screen which actually came out blurred over the ~9s capture time necessary to record all 150 frames. The height of the prominences that can be seen here is about 5x the diameter of the Earth or about 60,000km.

Anthony - I&#039;m never shy ;) A great website, I&#039;ll certainly be back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stef &#8211; the original Spaceweather animation was taken over a time period of 7 minutes. The capture was done at 17 frames per second (the prominence was faint and so the capture rate had to be kept this low) and 150 frames were captured every minute. The resulting 8 sets of 150 frames were individually processed so that each set distilled into just a single frame &#8211; an astro imaging technique to reduce image noise and improve the overall look of the image. I could see individual points of bright plasma on my laptop&#8217;s screen which actually came out blurred over the ~9s capture time necessary to record all 150 frames. The height of the prominences that can be seen here is about 5x the diameter of the Earth or about 60,000km.</p>
<p>Anthony &#8211; I&#8217;m never shy ;) A great website, I&#8217;ll certainly be back!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be happy to verify it! ;)

Another one here if you&#039;re interested:
http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/solar/2008/May22-prom-anim.gif

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Pete, thanks for dropping by, what a great photo animation! The world appreciates your skill. We discuss solar regularly here, so if you have items of interest, don&#039;t be shy. -Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be happy to verify it! ;)</p>
<p>Another one here if you&#8217;re interested:<br />
<a href="http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/solar/2008/May22-prom-anim.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalsky.org.uk/solar/2008/May22-prom-anim.gif</a></p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Pete, thanks for dropping by, what a great photo animation! The world appreciates your skill. We discuss solar regularly here, so if you have items of interest, don&#8217;t be shy. -Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Graebner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Graebner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, may the force be with you!</description>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
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		<description>Can someone add some sense of scale for me?

a) How long a period is that time lapse over?

b) How &#039;high&#039; are those plumes above the sun&#039;s surface?

c) How big are those clouds?</description>
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<p>a) How long a period is that time lapse over?</p>
<p>b) How &#8216;high&#8217; are those plumes above the sun&#8217;s surface?</p>
<p>c) How big are those clouds?</p>
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