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	<title>Comments on: The Weather Channel &#8211; they&#8217;re not just about global warming anymore</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/07/the-weather-channel-theyre-not-just-about-global-warming-anymore/#comment-14193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Meanwhile, a Canadian environmental scientist says that university research should be added to the list of human activities that contribute to global warming. Professor Hervé Philippe from the University of Montreal has discovered that his own research produces 44 tons of carbon dioxide a year. The average American citizen produces 20 tons of CO2 per year.

According to his calculations, Phillippe says his computers produce 19 tons of CO2 a year, the air-conditioning in his lab produces 10 tons of CO2 per year and transportation to and from his many environmental meetings produce another 15 tons of carbon dioxide every year.

Phillippe was shocked at his findings, saying, &quot;I did my PhD in the hope of advancing our knowledge of biodiversity, but I never thought that the research itself could have a negative impact on biodiversity.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps Professor Phillippe would share with us how CO2 has a demonstrated negative impact on biodiversity? No computer models allowed, let&#039;s have some facts, not assumptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, a Canadian environmental scientist says that university research should be added to the list of human activities that contribute to global warming. Professor Hervé Philippe from the University of Montreal has discovered that his own research produces 44 tons of carbon dioxide a year. The average American citizen produces 20 tons of CO2 per year.</p>
<p>According to his calculations, Phillippe says his computers produce 19 tons of CO2 a year, the air-conditioning in his lab produces 10 tons of CO2 per year and transportation to and from his many environmental meetings produce another 15 tons of carbon dioxide every year.</p>
<p>Phillippe was shocked at his findings, saying, &#8220;I did my PhD in the hope of advancing our knowledge of biodiversity, but I never thought that the research itself could have a negative impact on biodiversity.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps Professor Phillippe would share with us how CO2 has a demonstrated negative impact on biodiversity? No computer models allowed, let&#8217;s have some facts, not assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: carl wolk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carl wolk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 04:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to answer my question above: Al Gore has now blamed global warming for the Myanmar cyclong: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354644,00.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to answer my question above: Al Gore has now blamed global warming for the Myanmar cyclong: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354644,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354644,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/07/the-weather-channel-theyre-not-just-about-global-warming-anymore/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I suppose this is the appropriate thread for this post.  The folks at El Reg have tipped their hat to the BBC headline writers for &quot;Great tits cope well with warming&quot; at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/bbc_headline/

The story, as you may have guessed, is that at one bird species has advanced its egg laying and hatching time along with the advance of the emergence of the caterpillars they feed upon.

The Register story concentrates on the headline (they are an IT rumor site, with a bent toward beer, double entendre and interesting science), the BBC story refers to previous work studying some birds that are losing sync with their food.  This is the first I&#039;ve seen where birds and food are shifting in sync.

Perhaps they&#039;ll shift back over the next decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suppose this is the appropriate thread for this post.  The folks at El Reg have tipped their hat to the BBC headline writers for &#8220;Great tits cope well with warming&#8221; at <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/bbc_headline/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/bbc_headline/</a></p>
<p>The story, as you may have guessed, is that at one bird species has advanced its egg laying and hatching time along with the advance of the emergence of the caterpillars they feed upon.</p>
<p>The Register story concentrates on the headline (they are an IT rumor site, with a bent toward beer, double entendre and interesting science), the BBC story refers to previous work studying some birds that are losing sync with their food.  This is the first I&#8217;ve seen where birds and food are shifting in sync.</p>
<p>Perhaps they&#8217;ll shift back over the next decade.</p>
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		<title>By: carlwolk</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/07/the-weather-channel-theyre-not-just-about-global-warming-anymore/#comment-14055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carlwolk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Weather Channel seems not to be infiltrating the minds of its viewers:
http://www.weather.com/common/onlinepoll/results/lap_undeclared.html?generic_poll172]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Weather Channel seems not to be infiltrating the minds of its viewers:<br />
<a href="http://www.weather.com/common/onlinepoll/results/lap_undeclared.html?generic_poll172" rel="nofollow">http://www.weather.com/common/onlinepoll/results/lap_undeclared.html?generic_poll172</a></p>
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		<title>By: carlwolk</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/05/07/the-weather-channel-theyre-not-just-about-global-warming-anymore/#comment-14046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carlwolk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t mean to get Jim Cantore fired or anything, but I&#039;ve seen him make a face when a fellow anchor blamed something on global warming.  I think he&#039;s one of us - you know, those people who believe in the existence of weather.  Any reports about how the Myanmar disaster was caused by global warming?  I haven&#039;t seen any yet, but I&#039;m sure they&#039;re coming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mean to get Jim Cantore fired or anything, but I&#8217;ve seen him make a face when a fellow anchor blamed something on global warming.  I think he&#8217;s one of us &#8211; you know, those people who believe in the existence of weather.  Any reports about how the Myanmar disaster was caused by global warming?  I haven&#8217;t seen any yet, but I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re coming.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Swizzle stick?  Isnt that a 8 cm long, 1mm diameter piece of plastic?.

Oh, he was bragging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swizzle stick?  Isnt that a 8 cm long, 1mm diameter piece of plastic?.</p>
<p>Oh, he was bragging.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Retired Engineer(19:14:22): 

Great description of bandwagons!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retired Engineer(19:14:22): </p>
<p>Great description of bandwagons!</p>
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		<title>By: James Chamberlain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Chamberlain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry46,  I concure.  For almost all locations, the forecast is consitently higher on TWC vs. any other source, including the local source.  (I&#039;ve been watching this for at least a year or so.)  I&#039;ve wanted to set up a spread sheet that does the comparison of forecast temps for many location and then compares to the actual temps that occur for several sources.  Winner get&#039;s the &quot;best forecast of temps award.&quot;  Loser, presumably TWC with their outlandish higher temps that are forecast, get&#039;s exposed for being biased and having poor forecast abilities.

Also, whenever a temp is relatively high, the local forecast bit says &quot;close to record high temp today!!!&quot;  when the temp is low, or even a record, nothing is generally said on the local forecast.  Lame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry46,  I concure.  For almost all locations, the forecast is consitently higher on TWC vs. any other source, including the local source.  (I&#8217;ve been watching this for at least a year or so.)  I&#8217;ve wanted to set up a spread sheet that does the comparison of forecast temps for many location and then compares to the actual temps that occur for several sources.  Winner get&#8217;s the &#8220;best forecast of temps award.&#8221;  Loser, presumably TWC with their outlandish higher temps that are forecast, get&#8217;s exposed for being biased and having poor forecast abilities.</p>
<p>Also, whenever a temp is relatively high, the local forecast bit says &#8220;close to record high temp today!!!&#8221;  when the temp is low, or even a record, nothing is generally said on the local forecast.  Lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Demesure</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demesure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can testified that Bob Stokes has never said &quot;Will you lick my swizzle stick?&quot; 
He said &quot;will you lick my HOCKEY stick?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can testified that Bob Stokes has never said &#8220;Will you lick my swizzle stick?&#8221;<br />
He said &#8220;will you lick my HOCKEY stick?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: terry46</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terry46]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The weather channel to me is bias .When there is an above average temp they just seem to glee  but if the temps go below average and lots of snow like this past winter they hardly say anything at all.One other thing is check out the temps for the area you live , today,and the forecast for 10 days out compared to accuweather and noaa. The weather channel highs and forecast highs and lows is usually higher than the other two. I know in the town in which I live the temps come from our small airport.How can  there be 3 different readings at the same time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weather channel to me is bias .When there is an above average temp they just seem to glee  but if the temps go below average and lots of snow like this past winter they hardly say anything at all.One other thing is check out the temps for the area you live , today,and the forecast for 10 days out compared to accuweather and noaa. The weather channel highs and forecast highs and lows is usually higher than the other two. I know in the town in which I live the temps come from our small airport.How can  there be 3 different readings at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 09:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a kid I remember seeing the &quot;Mountain Report&quot; from the top of Mt. Washington on WMTW TV (Portland, ME) often delivered by Marty Angstrom (1960s and 70s). 
The weather report was always given by Tom Elemond (sp?), who also hosted High School Quiz. I know this is all pretty corny, but does anyone know if it&#039;s possible to get videos of these old broadcasts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid I remember seeing the &#8220;Mountain Report&#8221; from the top of Mt. Washington on WMTW TV (Portland, ME) often delivered by Marty Angstrom (1960s and 70s).<br />
The weather report was always given by Tom Elemond (sp?), who also hosted High School Quiz. I know this is all pretty corny, but does anyone know if it&#8217;s possible to get videos of these old broadcasts?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Carr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for responding to my concern, Anthony.  I acknowledge the validity of the point you make; but would have felt more comfortable with a less explicit demonstration. &lt;i&gt;Sexual harrassment&lt;/i&gt; would have, to my mind, been an adequately descriptive phrase to make the point; and I would have continued to feel comfortable noting this site to others, including kids, as an excellent source of information in the field, and where noting your caution as to the validity of TWC was a useful addition.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY&lt;/strong&gt;: Most of the text came from TVspy&#039;s newsletter, where they have no modesty. But a couple of edits I just did should help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for responding to my concern, Anthony.  I acknowledge the validity of the point you make; but would have felt more comfortable with a less explicit demonstration. <i>Sexual harrassment</i> would have, to my mind, been an adequately descriptive phrase to make the point; and I would have continued to feel comfortable noting this site to others, including kids, as an excellent source of information in the field, and where noting your caution as to the validity of TWC was a useful addition.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY</strong>: Most of the text came from TVspy&#8217;s newsletter, where they have no modesty. But a couple of edits I just did should help.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Carr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gratuitous sleaze on &lt;i&gt;Watts Up With That&lt;/i&gt;, Anthony?
Why?

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I didn&#039;t see it that way, but rather as one more indication of an organization that used to be dedicated to truth in science and meteorology, has now lost it&#039;s way and become just like many other TV news organizations - a ratings hound. I knew what the Weather Channel was like at it&#039;s inception when John Coleman and Joe D&#039;Aleo worked there. I would have been proud to work there then. Not today.

With TWC being so influential in many households, we deserve to see the ugly warts too. Ask yourself this question: If TWC management looks the other way with issues such as this, why should the public trust that same management to deliver truth in reporting on weather and climate change when ratings and popularity, not facts, appear to steer their course of action?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gratuitous sleaze on <i>Watts Up With That</i>, Anthony?<br />
Why?</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I didn&#8217;t see it that way, but rather as one more indication of an organization that used to be dedicated to truth in science and meteorology, has now lost it&#8217;s way and become just like many other TV news organizations &#8211; a ratings hound. I knew what the Weather Channel was like at it&#8217;s inception when John Coleman and Joe D&#8217;Aleo worked there. I would have been proud to work there then. Not today.</p>
<p>With TWC being so influential in many households, we deserve to see the ugly warts too. Ask yourself this question: If TWC management looks the other way with issues such as this, why should the public trust that same management to deliver truth in reporting on weather and climate change when ratings and popularity, not facts, appear to steer their course of action?</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Retired Engineer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 02:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine put it rather well: Do not jump on a bandwagon before checking to see if someone is driving.  To which I add: and knows where they are going.  Most bandwagons do not have brakes.  They only stop when they run off the road.  When AGW was a scientific debate, it was interesting.  Now that it has risen to an almost religious fervor, with massive economic and social impact, the humor diminishes.  Rational debate, the basis of any scientific inquirery, is no more.  And that leads to disaster.

As Milton Friedman put it: Government solutions to problems are usually  worse than the problems themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine put it rather well: Do not jump on a bandwagon before checking to see if someone is driving.  To which I add: and knows where they are going.  Most bandwagons do not have brakes.  They only stop when they run off the road.  When AGW was a scientific debate, it was interesting.  Now that it has risen to an almost religious fervor, with massive economic and social impact, the humor diminishes.  Rational debate, the basis of any scientific inquirery, is no more.  And that leads to disaster.</p>
<p>As Milton Friedman put it: Government solutions to problems are usually  worse than the problems themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arch Stanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with all of you complaining about the bias and sensationalizing of science by the media. 

Another good example of it is in the Telegraph’s use of the word “doomed” in the headline of the article linked to by mercurior.  Check out the abstract of the paper and you will see what a misrepresentation it is of the paper’s content it is.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7192/abs/nature06960.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of you complaining about the bias and sensationalizing of science by the media. </p>
<p>Another good example of it is in the Telegraph’s use of the word “doomed” in the headline of the article linked to by mercurior.  Check out the abstract of the paper and you will see what a misrepresentation it is of the paper’s content it is.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7192/abs/nature06960.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7192/abs/nature06960.html</a></p>
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