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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s a chill in the air</title>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12594</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOVED this article!  Especially after some of the heavier reading I&#039;ve been doing!  Cheeky comments throughout!  Yet filled with DATA!

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVED this article!  Especially after some of the heavier reading I&#8217;ve been doing!  Cheeky comments throughout!  Yet filled with DATA!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting article about cosmic ray penetration through the atmosphere.  There is a mention about solar cycle length being unusually short during the global warming period (along with a cheeky comment of &quot;too bad for the environmentalists&quot; who think we are causing global warming).  Cosmic ray penetration is in reverse relationship with active periods and follows cycle length as well.  The logical reverse of the short cycle speculation causing warming trends would be that longer cycles, ie longer maximums and longer minimums, and longer cyclic cosmic ray reflextion and penetration, may harald decreasing global temps.

http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/421/ziegler.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article about cosmic ray penetration through the atmosphere.  There is a mention about solar cycle length being unusually short during the global warming period (along with a cheeky comment of &#8220;too bad for the environmentalists&#8221; who think we are causing global warming).  Cosmic ray penetration is in reverse relationship with active periods and follows cycle length as well.  The logical reverse of the short cycle speculation causing warming trends would be that longer cycles, ie longer maximums and longer minimums, and longer cyclic cosmic ray reflextion and penetration, may harald decreasing global temps.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/421/ziegler.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/421/ziegler.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loved this article.  It talked about the possibility of pauses in ocean decadal oscillations along with solar activity.  Best explanation yet about the ocean&#039;s affect on temperature/CO2, and leaves open the possibility that changes in the sun or aspects of our orbit around it may cause ocean pauses that end up changing temperature up or down in sometimes abrupt ways.

Might the ocean be pausing in its function of heat conveyance?  Leaving some of us in the bitter cold?  Might the pause in the sun be just coincidence or tied to this possible ocean pause?

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12457&amp;tid=282&amp;cid=18371]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved this article.  It talked about the possibility of pauses in ocean decadal oscillations along with solar activity.  Best explanation yet about the ocean&#8217;s affect on temperature/CO2, and leaves open the possibility that changes in the sun or aspects of our orbit around it may cause ocean pauses that end up changing temperature up or down in sometimes abrupt ways.</p>
<p>Might the ocean be pausing in its function of heat conveyance?  Leaving some of us in the bitter cold?  Might the pause in the sun be just coincidence or tied to this possible ocean pause?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12457&#038;tid=282&#038;cid=18371" rel="nofollow">http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12457&#038;tid=282&#038;cid=18371</a></p>
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		<title>By: SunfighterLC</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12217</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last sunday here in Arkansas Believe it was 4-12-08. I was doing my rounds working in the early afternoon, and it actually spit a few flakes of snow. Nothing major, but enough that you noticed it was snowing. I couldnt believe it. April, in arkansas, and it was spitting snow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last sunday here in Arkansas Believe it was 4-12-08. I was doing my rounds working in the early afternoon, and it actually spit a few flakes of snow. Nothing major, but enough that you noticed it was snowing. I couldnt believe it. April, in arkansas, and it was spitting snow.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This might warm your night:

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/Cosmic_rays_and_climate.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might warm your night:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/Cosmic_rays_and_climate.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/Cosmic_rays_and_climate.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good heavens!!!  I just read the warning for Northeast Oregon!!!!  Holllllyyyy crap!!!!  The coldest part of the weather system is right where I spend my weekends trying to pull blood out of a ranch turnip.  And I JUST changed my studs out for my regular tires.  Good thing I have a jeep.  I&#039;m gonna have to start burning the house board by board just to stay warm!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good heavens!!!  I just read the warning for Northeast Oregon!!!!  Holllllyyyy crap!!!!  The coldest part of the weather system is right where I spend my weekends trying to pull blood out of a ranch turnip.  And I JUST changed my studs out for my regular tires.  Good thing I have a jeep.  I&#8217;m gonna have to start burning the house board by board just to stay warm!</p>
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		<title>By: tom desouza (salem, OR)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom desouza (salem, OR)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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I&#039;m glad I haven&#039;t planted any vegetables yet. I usually start mid-March. 
Governor &quot;Sleepy&quot; Ted Kulongoski (D-Unions) is throwing huge subsidies and fuel mandates at ethanol and biodiesel. Nothing for biomass fuels, though; that would encourage forest thinning....


UNSEASONABLY COLD WEATHER WITH VERY LOW SNOW LEVELS AND NEAR
RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES IN STORE FOR SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON AND
NORTHWEST OREGON THIS WEEKEND...


SNOW LEVELS WILL APPROACH VALUES MORE IN KEEPING WITH
MID WINTER THAN EARLY SPRING.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.accuweather.com/watches-warnings.asp?partner=forecastfox&#038;zipcode=97301&#038;county=ORc047&#038;zone=ORz007&#038;metric=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.accuweather.com/watches-warnings.asp?partner=forecastfox&#038;zipcode=97301&#038;county=ORc047&#038;zone=ORz007&#038;metric=0</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I haven&#8217;t planted any vegetables yet. I usually start mid-March.<br />
Governor &#8220;Sleepy&#8221; Ted Kulongoski (D-Unions) is throwing huge subsidies and fuel mandates at ethanol and biodiesel. Nothing for biomass fuels, though; that would encourage forest thinning&#8230;.</p>
<p>UNSEASONABLY COLD WEATHER WITH VERY LOW SNOW LEVELS AND NEAR<br />
RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES IN STORE FOR SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON AND<br />
NORTHWEST OREGON THIS WEEKEND&#8230;</p>
<p>SNOW LEVELS WILL APPROACH VALUES MORE IN KEEPING WITH<br />
MID WINTER THAN EARLY SPRING.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/15/theres-a-chill-in-the-air/#comment-12042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randy:

&quot;Julian from UK touched on something that I have not seen. Is there a average for UV energy from the sun that is responsible for at least half of the heating on earth?&quot;

No, solar output tails off pretty quickly, and the shortwave UV gets absorbed high in the atmosphere so it&#039;s hard to work that heat down.

&quot;Also, if the sun is not an important driver in climate, then why are there seasons? The earth is only tilted a tiny bit away during winter… &quot;

The change in tilt is huge, and is most effective outside of the tropics.  Here in New Hampshire, the sun&#039;s noontime altitude is 23.3 degrees in the winter solstice and 70.1 at the summer solstice.  Heating per unit area varies with the sine of that angle so we get 40% efficiency in winter, and 94% in summer.  And that&#039;s without taking the greater atmospheric distance the sunlight travels.  Sunlit length goes from 9 hours to 15.  I don&#039;t have the total daily insolation handy, sorry.

http://wermenh.com/sun.html has some pretty raw data.

&quot;What is the delta in UV energy hitting the surface between summer and winter?&quot;

Very little, that&#039;s why we don&#039;t tan during the winter.  Poke around the web and look for a graph showing UV atmospheric absorption, I remember seeing one in Sky &amp; Telescope, skin care site or Wikipedia ought to be good sources.  Report back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Julian from UK touched on something that I have not seen. Is there a average for UV energy from the sun that is responsible for at least half of the heating on earth?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, solar output tails off pretty quickly, and the shortwave UV gets absorbed high in the atmosphere so it&#8217;s hard to work that heat down.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, if the sun is not an important driver in climate, then why are there seasons? The earth is only tilted a tiny bit away during winter… &#8221;</p>
<p>The change in tilt is huge, and is most effective outside of the tropics.  Here in New Hampshire, the sun&#8217;s noontime altitude is 23.3 degrees in the winter solstice and 70.1 at the summer solstice.  Heating per unit area varies with the sine of that angle so we get 40% efficiency in winter, and 94% in summer.  And that&#8217;s without taking the greater atmospheric distance the sunlight travels.  Sunlit length goes from 9 hours to 15.  I don&#8217;t have the total daily insolation handy, sorry.</p>
<p><a href="http://wermenh.com/sun.html" rel="nofollow">http://wermenh.com/sun.html</a> has some pretty raw data.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is the delta in UV energy hitting the surface between summer and winter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Very little, that&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t tan during the winter.  Poke around the web and look for a graph showing UV atmospheric absorption, I remember seeing one in Sky &amp; Telescope, skin care site or Wikipedia ought to be good sources.  Report back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phillip in England:

&quot;The south-west of England (normally mild at this time of year) has been very cold in April. Unusual and damaging frosts and northerly winds.&quot;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/7352006.stm
[South Yorkshire is pretty well north, up by Manchester and Liverpool.]

At Ladybower, west of Sheffield, about 10cm (3.9in) of snow fell overnight resulting in a heavy covering on open land and untreated roads.

Further north on the edge of the Pennine hills at Penistone, near Barnsley, about 7cm (2.7in) fell. 

&quot;The temperatures aren&#039;t too bad, its just that there is quite a lot of cold and snow and sleet on the roads and it is slippery.&quot; 

not too bad temps == lot of cold?  Must be the stiff British upper lip.  That or frostbite.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip in England:</p>
<p>&#8220;The south-west of England (normally mild at this time of year) has been very cold in April. Unusual and damaging frosts and northerly winds.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/7352006.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/7352006.stm</a><br />
[South Yorkshire is pretty well north, up by Manchester and Liverpool.]</p>
<p>At Ladybower, west of Sheffield, about 10cm (3.9in) of snow fell overnight resulting in a heavy covering on open land and untreated roads.</p>
<p>Further north on the edge of the Pennine hills at Penistone, near Barnsley, about 7cm (2.7in) fell. </p>
<p>&#8220;The temperatures aren&#8217;t too bad, its just that there is quite a lot of cold and snow and sleet on the roads and it is slippery.&#8221; </p>
<p>not too bad temps == lot of cold?  Must be the stiff British upper lip.  That or frostbite.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julian from UK touched on something that I have not seen.  Is there a average for UV energy from the sun that is responsible for at least half of the heating on earth? 

Also, if the sun is not an important driver in climate, then why are there seasons?  The earth is only tilted a tiny bit away during winter... (not counting orbit elongations). What is the delta in UV energy hitting the surface between summer and winter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian from UK touched on something that I have not seen.  Is there a average for UV energy from the sun that is responsible for at least half of the heating on earth? </p>
<p>Also, if the sun is not an important driver in climate, then why are there seasons?  The earth is only tilted a tiny bit away during winter&#8230; (not counting orbit elongations). What is the delta in UV energy hitting the surface between summer and winter?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People. Please.

The last thing he needs is immortalizing guys. Someone who predicted the coming downturn would be far more appropriate.

Landscheidt or Charvatova actually did some science and deserve it. AlGorithm Al did some sleight of hand to &quot;earn&quot; 100 million dollars in 8 years, a dynamite peace prize and an award from fantasy land for his sci-fi horror movie. His pontificating and connections will kill millions through bio-fuel folly and driving policy in the opposite direction to the natural cyclical progression we are witnessing. You may not debate him, or his &quot;settled science&quot; and he intercuts atomic explosions with ice shelves calving. He is revered by the masses whilst luminous scientists are cut down daily in the media.

The Swiss establishment that honored Benito Mussolini are just about to do the same to Al - we are through the looking glass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People. Please.</p>
<p>The last thing he needs is immortalizing guys. Someone who predicted the coming downturn would be far more appropriate.</p>
<p>Landscheidt or Charvatova actually did some science and deserve it. AlGorithm Al did some sleight of hand to &#8220;earn&#8221; 100 million dollars in 8 years, a dynamite peace prize and an award from fantasy land for his sci-fi horror movie. His pontificating and connections will kill millions through bio-fuel folly and driving policy in the opposite direction to the natural cyclical progression we are witnessing. You may not debate him, or his &#8220;settled science&#8221; and he intercuts atomic explosions with ice shelves calving. He is revered by the masses whilst luminous scientists are cut down daily in the media.</p>
<p>The Swiss establishment that honored Benito Mussolini are just about to do the same to Al &#8211; we are through the looking glass.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank/ Denmark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank/ Denmark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was good! &quot;The Gore Minimum&quot;  ! I will start to use that labelling on the coming cold period, its nice...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was good! &#8220;The Gore Minimum&#8221;  ! I will start to use that labelling on the coming cold period, its nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Fox,
Yes it will. I&#039;m curious whether this is simply La Nina related, and will pass by and return to warming. or if it&#039;s truly the start of a Gore Minimum. 
I think we&#039;ll find this out in a couple of years. 

The snow is a godsend isn&#039;t it? Enjoy this period of peace and quiet as the warmists have all shut up for the time being.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Fox,<br />
Yes it will. I&#8217;m curious whether this is simply La Nina related, and will pass by and return to warming. or if it&#8217;s truly the start of a Gore Minimum.<br />
I think we&#8217;ll find this out in a couple of years. </p>
<p>The snow is a godsend isn&#8217;t it? Enjoy this period of peace and quiet as the warmists have all shut up for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to say but it will turn cold again after this warm patch. We may get frosts strong enough to damage crops as late as early May.

The whole year will be cooler than many expect. Cold even. Next year looks no better. 2010 may be a little warmer.

There are, in the record, periods of extremes that are very close together.

I would love someone(being rubbish with numbers myself) to produce a year on year - based on HAD/CRU - temp set that starts in(for example) Nov rather than Jan - we would see a much different picture of the historically &quot;relevant&quot; years I would hazard to guess. Both coldest(ish) and hottest(ish) ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say but it will turn cold again after this warm patch. We may get frosts strong enough to damage crops as late as early May.</p>
<p>The whole year will be cooler than many expect. Cold even. Next year looks no better. 2010 may be a little warmer.</p>
<p>There are, in the record, periods of extremes that are very close together.</p>
<p>I would love someone(being rubbish with numbers myself) to produce a year on year &#8211; based on HAD/CRU &#8211; temp set that starts in(for example) Nov rather than Jan &#8211; we would see a much different picture of the historically &#8220;relevant&#8221; years I would hazard to guess. Both coldest(ish) and hottest(ish) ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cross patch, so true. And as these troughs work their way around the globe, it is death by a 1000 small cuts. Add to that the idiotic use of food for fuel. Add to that the idiotic notion that unwinding the US dollar is a good thing because it helps achieve the &quot;Flat World&quot; that Thomas L. Friedman pines for. This is looking really bad. There is an old reggae song in me &#039;ead ... &quot;Earth Crisis ... &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cross patch, so true. And as these troughs work their way around the globe, it is death by a 1000 small cuts. Add to that the idiotic use of food for fuel. Add to that the idiotic notion that unwinding the US dollar is a good thing because it helps achieve the &#8220;Flat World&#8221; that Thomas L. Friedman pines for. This is looking really bad. There is an old reggae song in me &#8216;ead &#8230; &#8220;Earth Crisis &#8230; &#8220;</p>
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