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	<title>Comments on: Curiosities: Mixed Signals in Land and Ocean Temps</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Kopits, Princeton, New Jersey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-59070</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Kopits, Princeton, New Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note two comments here regarding regional temperature anomalies, a negative one for the US for the last seven weeks and an apparently positive one for Asia (China).   So China in growth mode generates more heat and the US in recession generates less heat?  Is global warming local?  Can regional anomalies be used to estimate economic activity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note two comments here regarding regional temperature anomalies, a negative one for the US for the last seven weeks and an apparently positive one for Asia (China).   So China in growth mode generates more heat and the US in recession generates less heat?  Is global warming local?  Can regional anomalies be used to estimate economic activity?</p>
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		<title>By: George Ismael</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Ismael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of any work done to calculate or measure the amount of energy transferred to the earth&#039;s core by fluctuations in the Sun&#039;s magnetic field?    It seems to me the amount of heating in the core from such interactions might be significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know of any work done to calculate or measure the amount of energy transferred to the earth&#8217;s core by fluctuations in the Sun&#8217;s magnetic field?    It seems to me the amount of heating in the core from such interactions might be significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11912</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, you probably forgot to select Hadl/Reyn_v2 for the ocean category. It&#039;s defaulted to &quot;none&quot;.It&#039;s in the drop down labeled &quot;ocean&quot;.

Using 250km, you can really see how much estimating goes on for the 1200km. The U.S and Europe are covered nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, you probably forgot to select Hadl/Reyn_v2 for the ocean category. It&#8217;s defaulted to &#8220;none&#8221;.It&#8217;s in the drop down labeled &#8220;ocean&#8221;.</p>
<p>Using 250km, you can really see how much estimating goes on for the 1200km. The U.S and Europe are covered nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerker Andersson</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11864</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerker Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sfod223: No it does mean that GISS is not as accurate that it should be. Also the current low temperatures does not mean AGW is wrong. Temperatures raise and fall quite rapid in a few months or years. Thats natural variations.

But things that could proove AGW to be one of mans biggest misstakes are
- We have no temperature rise since 10 years allthough CO2 emissions are raising faster then ever.
- For the last 6 years the temperature has been falling.
- Oceans have not been heating, slight decrease have been measured.
- The ammount of CO2 that is added to the atmosphere seems to follow global temperature much more than anthropogen emissions.

Those are things that can not be explained very well within the current AGW theory, at least as far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sfod223: No it does mean that GISS is not as accurate that it should be. Also the current low temperatures does not mean AGW is wrong. Temperatures raise and fall quite rapid in a few months or years. Thats natural variations.</p>
<p>But things that could proove AGW to be one of mans biggest misstakes are<br />
- We have no temperature rise since 10 years allthough CO2 emissions are raising faster then ever.<br />
- For the last 6 years the temperature has been falling.<br />
- Oceans have not been heating, slight decrease have been measured.<br />
- The ammount of CO2 that is added to the atmosphere seems to follow global temperature much more than anthropogen emissions.</p>
<p>Those are things that can not be explained very well within the current AGW theory, at least as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: sfod223</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11832</link>
		<dc:creator>sfod223</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean in layman&#039;s terms that the global warming issue is a hoax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean in layman&#8217;s terms that the global warming issue is a hoax?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11808</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, thanks for the grid too.

Canada + Greenland 12 million sq km ... about half of North America.

For the most part they have no temperatures recorded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, thanks for the grid too.</p>
<p>Canada + Greenland 12 million sq km &#8230; about half of North America.</p>
<p>For the most part they have no temperatures recorded.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hadley</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11802</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Hadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the Grid Map, Bob. It is interesting to see the parts of the world that do not have reliable records - most of Africa, much of Brazil etc. 

It is also very interesting to look at the GISS map page. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/  I recommend setting the smoothing radius to 250km, rather than the default 1200km. Also changing the projection to polar gives a different perspective. Of course neither projection really reflects the fact that 50% of the surface of the globe is between 30S and 30N.

At the 250km smoothing the maps are mainly coloured grey - showing just how much extrapolation GISS do to come up with their figures. 

I note that on the GISS maps the oceans are nearly all grey (i.e. missing data) yet HadCRU maps have a reading for almost the entire oceans. Does anyone know why that is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the Grid Map, Bob. It is interesting to see the parts of the world that do not have reliable records &#8211; most of Africa, much of Brazil etc. </p>
<p>It is also very interesting to look at the GISS map page. <a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/</a>  I recommend setting the smoothing radius to 250km, rather than the default 1200km. Also changing the projection to polar gives a different perspective. Of course neither projection really reflects the fact that 50% of the surface of the globe is between 30S and 30N.</p>
<p>At the 250km smoothing the maps are mainly coloured grey &#8211; showing just how much extrapolation GISS do to come up with their figures. </p>
<p>I note that on the GISS maps the oceans are nearly all grey (i.e. missing data) yet HadCRU maps have a reading for almost the entire oceans. Does anyone know why that is?</p>
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		<title>By: cohenite</title>
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		<dc:creator>cohenite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VG; re: the Cryosphere site; there seems to be a contradiction between the animation showing the Arctic ice-loss over the 2007 year and the comparaitive  side-by-side images of 1980 and the present; especially given their quote from Gore and the &quot;major tooth decay&quot; comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VG; re: the Cryosphere site; there seems to be a contradiction between the animation showing the Arctic ice-loss over the 2007 year and the comparaitive  side-by-side images of 1980 and the present; especially given their quote from Gore and the &#8220;major tooth decay&#8221; comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11791</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Gosselin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This suggests that the Northern extratropical differential is flat-to-declining over the last decade.&quot;

The same statement can be made about the tropics too.
But take a look at the Southern extratropical differential. It&#039;s increasing over the last decade. Why are the North and South behaving oppositely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This suggests that the Northern extratropical differential is flat-to-declining over the last decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same statement can be made about the tropics too.<br />
But take a look at the Southern extratropical differential. It&#8217;s increasing over the last decade. Why are the North and South behaving oppositely?</p>
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		<title>By: VG</title>
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		<dc:creator>VG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checked this 
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01a.fnl.anim.html and cryosphere (ARCTIC AND ANTARCTIC ice UP UP UP) will arctic go above anomaly?)
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ 
and COLA (which has not changed much in the last 6 months except March asia (which was warmer).
http://wxmaps.org/pix/analyses.html (climate outlooks). 
So It looks like GISS and HADCRUT may have one H-- of a problem in &quot;forcing temps up&quot; for April 2008. Also check the 4.4 -7.5 km height UHA/RSS data here (seems to be diving) 
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ 
One consolation prize for the  AGW&#039;ers... NH Snow cover is slightly below normal LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked this<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01a.fnl.anim.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01a.fnl.anim.html</a> and cryosphere (ARCTIC AND ANTARCTIC ice UP UP UP) will arctic go above anomaly?)<br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/</a><br />
and COLA (which has not changed much in the last 6 months except March asia (which was warmer).<br />
<a href="http://wxmaps.org/pix/analyses.html" rel="nofollow">http://wxmaps.org/pix/analyses.html</a> (climate outlooks).<br />
So It looks like GISS and HADCRUT may have one H&#8211; of a problem in &#8220;forcing temps up&#8221; for April 2008. Also check the 4.4 -7.5 km height UHA/RSS data here (seems to be diving)<br />
<a href="http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/" rel="nofollow">http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/</a><br />
One consolation prize for the  AGW&#8217;ers&#8230; NH Snow cover is slightly below normal LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11772</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The satellites actually showed NH land being even warmer&quot;

Not the USA part of the NH. It was -.55C.

NoExt Land was 1.34C  (30deg up)
NoPol Land was .74C

Pretty much all of North America was cold. Real cold.

And Europe/Asia were hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The satellites actually showed NH land being even warmer&#8221;</p>
<p>Not the USA part of the NH. It was -.55C.</p>
<p>NoExt Land was 1.34C  (30deg up)<br />
NoPol Land was .74C</p>
<p>Pretty much all of North America was cold. Real cold.</p>
<p>And Europe/Asia were hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11766</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean where did the 0.735C come from?

The satellites actually showed NH land being even warmer.  UAH showed Northern Hemisphere land as being 1.01C above the 1979-1998 mean.  In fact, it was the third warmest NH land anomaly on record behind only January 2007 and February 1998.  The only reason the overall anomaly wasn&#039;t as large is because sea temperatures were actually below the 1979-1998 mean.

http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean where did the 0.735C come from?</p>
<p>The satellites actually showed NH land being even warmer.  UAH showed Northern Hemisphere land as being 1.01C above the 1979-1998 mean.  In fact, it was the third warmest NH land anomaly on record behind only January 2007 and February 1998.  The only reason the overall anomaly wasn&#8217;t as large is because sea temperatures were actually below the 1979-1998 mean.</p>
<p><a href="http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt" rel="nofollow">http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11763</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/

Where did the .735 come from?

The visualization says between 5C and 10C for huge chunks of Asia.

The rest of the world ... not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/" rel="nofollow">http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/</a></p>
<p>Where did the .735 come from?</p>
<p>The visualization says between 5C and 10C for huge chunks of Asia.</p>
<p>The rest of the world &#8230; not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Tisdale</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11759</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Tisdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Smith: I enjoyed your post.  I extended your graphs back in time to 1900, using the monthly NCDC ERSSTv.3 temperature anomaly data. Each graph includes the raw monthly data, the same data smoothed with a 13-month running average filter, and a 3rd order polynomial trend. 
Northern hemisphere land minus ocean:
http://i27.tinypic.com/k128lk.jpg
Tropics land minus ocean:
http://i26.tinypic.com/20ubqiv.jpg
Southern hemisphere land minus ocean:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2d6qibn.jpg
Over the long term, there doesn’t appear to be anything unusual or anthropogenic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Smith: I enjoyed your post.  I extended your graphs back in time to 1900, using the monthly NCDC ERSSTv.3 temperature anomaly data. Each graph includes the raw monthly data, the same data smoothed with a 13-month running average filter, and a 3rd order polynomial trend.<br />
Northern hemisphere land minus ocean:<br />
<a href="http://i27.tinypic.com/k128lk.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i27.tinypic.com/k128lk.jpg</a><br />
Tropics land minus ocean:<br />
<a href="http://i26.tinypic.com/20ubqiv.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i26.tinypic.com/20ubqiv.jpg</a><br />
Southern hemisphere land minus ocean:<br />
<a href="http://i26.tinypic.com/2d6qibn.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i26.tinypic.com/2d6qibn.jpg</a><br />
Over the long term, there doesn’t appear to be anything unusual or anthropogenic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

To answer your question (in my opinion) for land temperatures:

1) Bias in the land temperature record (changes in land use, UHI, etc.)
2) Less man-made aerosols from Former Soviet Union and rural Asia.  
3) Less of volcanic ash.  

Most of rural Asia (approx. 90% of all Asia) burns all sorts of crap to keep warm during the winter.  I&#039;ve seen it myself in northern China.  They have corn stover piled higher and wider than the house during winter (it looks like a 2nd addition to the farm house).  In more western parts, people burn coal in their homes. 

Would it not have been more reasonable for the IPCC to study the most logical reasons for the land temperature rise before resorting to science-fiction inspired reasons?  Is anyone else puzzled why GW is localized mainly over Asia (i.e. the biggest land mass in the NH)?  According to March&#039;s RSS imagery, the biggest anomalies occur over northern and western China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>To answer your question (in my opinion) for land temperatures:</p>
<p>1) Bias in the land temperature record (changes in land use, UHI, etc.)<br />
2) Less man-made aerosols from Former Soviet Union and rural Asia.<br />
3) Less of volcanic ash.  </p>
<p>Most of rural Asia (approx. 90% of all Asia) burns all sorts of crap to keep warm during the winter.  I&#8217;ve seen it myself in northern China.  They have corn stover piled higher and wider than the house during winter (it looks like a 2nd addition to the farm house).  In more western parts, people burn coal in their homes. </p>
<p>Would it not have been more reasonable for the IPCC to study the most logical reasons for the land temperature rise before resorting to science-fiction inspired reasons?  Is anyone else puzzled why GW is localized mainly over Asia (i.e. the biggest land mass in the NH)?  According to March&#8217;s RSS imagery, the biggest anomalies occur over northern and western China.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOAA is the last to produce a monthly climate summary (March 2008 not out yet), but theirs is the most informative.

The weekly US data shows a strong cooling trend over the last 3 months - 10 out of twelve weeks show a negative anomaly, including all of  the last 7 weeks, with the latest week showing the largest negative anomaly.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/mtd.accum.temps.txt

The USA temperature data has shown a divergence from the rest of the world (significantly less warming) and this divergence appears to be increasing. Make of it what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOAA is the last to produce a monthly climate summary (March 2008 not out yet), but theirs is the most informative.</p>
<p>The weekly US data shows a strong cooling trend over the last 3 months &#8211; 10 out of twelve weeks show a negative anomaly, including all of  the last 7 weeks, with the latest week showing the largest negative anomaly.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/mtd.accum.temps.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/mtd.accum.temps.txt</a></p>
<p>The USA temperature data has shown a divergence from the rest of the world (significantly less warming) and this divergence appears to be increasing. Make of it what you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Tisdale</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11754</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Tisdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce:  Check back at this link in a week or so and it&#039;ll give you an idea where that 0.735 comes from.  

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/tgrid/2008/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce:  Check back at this link in a week or so and it&#8217;ll give you an idea where that 0.735 comes from.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/tgrid/2008/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/tgrid/2008/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11749</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

It is possible that if you analyze UAH data some of these curious signatures seen may not exist or be a bit different than the RSS data.  These same types of differences between each group’s MSU lower tropospheric land data have been shown to be from differences in diurnal corrections to the time series (which you would see if you differenced land and ocean).  Not saying it would change the overall outcome, but it would be interesting to see.  It is also important to calculate the CI in these types of trends to ensure the uncertainty in trends, especially shorter time periods,  is well understood.  It is possible (for example) that the slight decrease in the Tropics has a + or – that would indicate a possibility of no trend or a positive trend.  

Robb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>It is possible that if you analyze UAH data some of these curious signatures seen may not exist or be a bit different than the RSS data.  These same types of differences between each group’s MSU lower tropospheric land data have been shown to be from differences in diurnal corrections to the time series (which you would see if you differenced land and ocean).  Not saying it would change the overall outcome, but it would be interesting to see.  It is also important to calculate the CI in these types of trends to ensure the uncertainty in trends, especially shorter time periods,  is well understood.  It is possible (for example) that the slight decrease in the Tropics has a + or – that would indicate a possibility of no trend or a positive trend.  </p>
<p>Robb</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...  When exactly did high energy CRF start declining?  Where are clouds most likely to be affected by CRF? And how are ocean surfaces primarily warmed, isn&#039;t by direct sunlight or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;  When exactly did high energy CRF start declining?  Where are clouds most likely to be affected by CRF? And how are ocean surfaces primarily warmed, isn&#8217;t by direct sunlight or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/14/curiosities-mixed-signals-in-land-and-ocean-temps/#comment-11742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HADCRUT3/HADSST  Jan/Feb/Mar Anomalies

NH Sea 0.204  0.212  0.209  
SH Sea 0.028  0.095  0.123  

NH Land 0.058  0.304 &lt;b&gt; 0.735&lt;/b&gt;  
SH Land 0.053  0.071  0.124  


Where the heck did that .735C come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HADCRUT3/HADSST  Jan/Feb/Mar Anomalies</p>
<p>NH Sea 0.204  0.212  0.209<br />
SH Sea 0.028  0.095  0.123  </p>
<p>NH Land 0.058  0.304 <b> 0.735</b><br />
SH Land 0.053  0.071  0.124  </p>
<p>Where the heck did that .735C come from?</p>
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