Comments on: BBC before and after

By: Al Gore - No climate progress « Truth Stranger

Al Gore - No climate progress « Truth Stranger — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:13:06 +0000

[...] to “correctly” label the planet’s major source of plant food as a pollutant, but the climate itself has failed to continue its warming [...]

By: Carsten Arnholm, Norway

Carsten Arnholm, Norway — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:33:51 +0000

Hi, my first post. Very important work being done here, thanks for that!

How do you assess this new BBC article “Forecast for big sea level rise”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7349236.stm

Does scientific evidence support these claims? If not, maybe a similar approach as was used towards mr. Harrabin could be used to make this latest article more in line with reality?

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:40:10 +0000

How about the direct route? A report on AquaSat and Argos would do just fine.

By: Craig Moore

Craig Moore — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:34:36 +0000

As a way to demonstrate his jounalistic integrity, perhaps Mr. Harrbin would be so kind as to interview Dr. Shaviv regarding his profession view on the causal links to climate change and publish the discussion in the BBC.

By: mbabbitt

mbabbitt — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:09:43 +0000

I received a reply from Roger Harrabin to my email:
“Subject: Return Global Temperatures decreasing article to its original state
Body:
Before you buckled under the pressure of one climate warming activist. ”

Roger Harrabin replied:
”
1 ) I didn’t

2) I am sure we can all agree with that

RH”

By: Craig Moore

Craig Moore — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:41:09 +0000

Dr. Nir Shaviv addresses the causal link between cosmic radiation and clouds. http://www.sciencebits.com/SloanAndWolfendale

By: Michael Ronayne

Michael Ronayne — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:45:12 +0000

With enemies like Jo Abbess we don’t need friends. The level of ineptitude exhibited Jo Abbess and Roger Harrabin is truly mind-boggling. Clearly neither Jo Abbess nor Roger Harrabin understands how the Internet works. If we can trust the date/time stamps in the original news story and Jo’s Email journal here are the two values which are of interest.

* BBC Story: Page last updated at 00:42 GMT, Friday, 4 April 2008 01:42 UK
* Last Email: date Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM

At a minimum the original story was on the Internet for 9 hours and 46 minutes. On a high profile site like the BBC, every search robot on the Internet copied and indexed the page multiple times. While the original page in no longer “publicly” available at Google and Live, but is available at Yahoo, rest assured that Google, Live and Yahoo retain private copies of everything for a very long time. And then there is the Wayback Machine which will not open its treasure drove until six months have expired. Trust my when I say that nothing is ever truly deleted from the Internet. The truth is always out there!

Roger Harrabin is an old pro and I would have expected better of him. It is as if he wanted to be caught or had done this so many times before that he truly believed that no one would call him on it or both. Roger’s undoing was that he evidently did not realize how incredibly stupid Jo Abbess was.

Jo Abbess is an absolute delight. In one BLOG posting she set the cause of AGW back thirty years. She confirmed everything which the Climate [Skeptics | Deniers | Nonbelievers | Nonconformists | Infidels | Atheists | Heretics] have been saying about the manipulation of the media for years. One has to wonder if Jo is a double-agent working for Exxon-Mobil or the Bush Administration, so extensive is the damage she has committed. If she had none absolutely nothing the story would have disappeared in the 24 hour news cycle but not now.

Keep up the good work Jo; we are all pulling for you. Rest assured that all over the Internet thousands of computers are now tracking your name waiting for the next pearl of wisdom you will share with us. We remain your most obedient and adoring fans.

By: graham dawson

graham dawson — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:35:42 +0000

Hi folks, if you're interested in seeing just how often the bBC changes articles you could do worse than checking out News Sniffer. Here's the diffs for the article above.

By: Alan Chappell

Alan Chappell — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:33:33 +0000

Pierre Gosselin
Flux Density 04.10.2008 = 0067.7

another link, LOUISXIV Canadian Observatory
http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/current_flux.shtml

By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)

Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer) — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:27:17 +0000

MCGrats,
Thanks for the reply. Sending the e-mails and messages to every public official has of course its merits, and has a useful purpose. But it’s starting at the wrong end. Politicians have a finger in the air, and are only checking the direction of public opinion, and respond accordingly. We have to do kore to change the direction of public opinion, and that is only possible from the bottom up.
Maybe we’ve got the top covered, but the bottom is lost for now. We’ve got to do more there.
I think folks like Singer, McIntyre, etc. (and of course Anthony) are doing an invaluable service. Without them, this would have been lost a long time ago.
And I’m glad that you yourself have entered the fray, and I have added your site to my favourites. Every truthtrooper more we can add will be needed.

By: McGrats

McGrats — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:49:55 +0000

Arrrrgggg……..

Mike and Evan said almost the same thing:

:McGrats, That’s not 3 million in advertising, it’s 100 million a year for the next three years.”

Yup… forgot a few zeros!

Jack Koenig, Editor
The Mysterious Climate Project
http://www.climateclinic.com

By: Dan Evens

Dan Evens — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:27:06 +0000

The link for solar flux data was requested:

http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/sol_home.shtml

There is lots of interesting stuff on that page.

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:32:08 +0000

Oooooh. A light begins to dawn. (In These States, it’s the journalism schools that do it.)

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:29:03 +0000

put together a $3 million advertising package in an attempt to stop their hemorging of believers.

This blog is sooooooooo important

Yes, but you need to take two of those zeroes of the sooooooooo and add them to the $3 million.

By: Mike Bryant

Mike Bryant — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:23:12 +0000

McGrats, That’s not 3 million in advertising, it’s 100 million a year for the next three years.
Mike

That’s alot of money…

By: TonyB

TonyB — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:36:59 +0000

This is typical of the BBC. Its supposed to be independent but has it’s own agenda and left wing political bias mainly because the majority of it’s staff are recruited from the left wing press … the Guardian and the Independent. There is an independent section however which allows complaints and will challenge programme makers and news editors live on air based on “consumer” complains and can make the news staff very uncomfortable. Its called Points of View:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/points_of_view/

even tells you how to complain about the BBC

you can e-mail it at :- pov@bbc.co.uk

Unfortunately the next series of programmes starts on the 20th April, which is a bit late but I think it is still worth deluging it with e-mails and at lest it’s independent of the new desk. Best of luck!

By: McGrats

McGrats — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:20:41 +0000

Pierre said:

“We need to get out more and start educating people.

Gore is out there recruiting 1000s to make presentations. What are we doing?

We’re reading these blogs and getting valuable info from them, and complain about kooks taking over. Talking’s fine, but that aint enough. We’ve got to get out and connect.”

Actually that’s being done across the board, Pierre. For example, the Heartland Institute sends monthly newsletter/updates to almost every elected official in the Nation on climate change, education, budgets, etc. They also provide speakers as requested for all types of meetings. Then there’s Mark Moreno who sends periodic reports on the environment in general and cc in particular that goes to thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.

I personally send email reports to over 100,000 subscribers of “The Mysterious Climate Project” database (in spite of Comcast efforts to derail the project) and speak at numerous events including schools. Anthony periodically appears on the FNC (and perhaps others that I don’t view).

The Pogies have been stopped dead in their tracks and have entered panic mode. This is evidenced by polls and the fact Goofy Gore had to put together a $3 million advertising package in an attempt to stop their hemorging of believers.

This blog is sooooooooo important because it provides many of us with up-to-date information that you won’t find in the Lamestream Media (ABCNNBCBS) and others. Many of us then take this information and use it as input in our individual efforts in keeping the public informed.

Now that nature and the Dragon Slayers have slowed down – if not stopped – the Pogies, we have to continue the onslaught until it’s turned around!

Jack Koenig, Editor
The Mysterious Climate Project
http://www.climateclinic.com

By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)

Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer) — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:49:50 +0000

Jeff,
You call it threats, I call it leverage. It’s business. Sort of like either you do what the boss tells you, or you’re fired. It’s the real world.
If our side had the chance to use such leverage, I’d say go for it!
But we don’t. We’ve got the facts, but we’re still losing. We’re a team, but without equipment or a playbook.

By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)

Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer) — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:42:48 +0000

kim,
Would you provide with the link with the solar flux data?
I’d much appreciate it.

By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)

Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer) — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:40:34 +0000

Criticism acknowledged. Thank you.
I certainly wouldn’t go so far to compare these people to skinheads and Nazis…I’d be a little more careful with the loose lingo here.
I believe most of these folks do have good intentions. Many are just plain misguided. Like it or not, this is what free societies are about…being active in what you believe in. Of course I don’t agree at all with what these kooks are promoting. But we have to do a lot more of some of the things they’re doing.
We need to get out more and start educating people.
Gore is out there recruiting 1000s to make presentations. What are we doing?
We’re reading these blogs and getting valuable info from them, and complain about kooks taking over. Talking’s fine, but that aint enough. We’ve got to get out and connect.
I’m putting together my own presentation to show in companies, trade groups, and the school where my kids attend. I intend to do something about it…and I’m sure I’m not going to make any friends doing this.
I don’t mind the criticism from the readers here – but I’m sticking to my guns. I’m not taking anything back.