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	<title>Comments on: UAH Global Temp Anomaly: also slightly above zero</title>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11471</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE CENTRAL SUBJECT OF CLIMATOLOGY

In my opinion the researchers in climatology should put aside their work for a moment and focus their attention on the central and decisive subject of climatology. This is the extremely close correlation between the changes in the mean surface temperature and the small changes in the rotational velocity of the Earth in the past 150 years (see Fig. 2.2 of  www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2787E/y2787e03.htm), which has been ignored by the mainstream climatologists. 

Since temperature cannot influence rotation to the observed degree and vice verca, a third agent must be driving the two. The solution is given in  www.icecap.us/images/uploads/Lobert_on_CO2.pdf .</description>
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<p>In my opinion the researchers in climatology should put aside their work for a moment and focus their attention on the central and decisive subject of climatology. This is the extremely close correlation between the changes in the mean surface temperature and the small changes in the rotational velocity of the Earth in the past 150 years (see Fig. 2.2 of  <a href="http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2787E/y2787e03.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2787E/y2787e03.htm</a>), which has been ignored by the mainstream climatologists. </p>
<p>Since temperature cannot influence rotation to the observed degree and vice verca, a third agent must be driving the two. The solution is given in  <a href="http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/Lobert_on_CO2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/Lobert_on_CO2.pdf</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11321</link>
		<dc:creator>tty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, this is getting interesting. If you change the smoothing radius from 1200 to 250 km, the colder than normal temperatures in western and northern Scandinavia show up clearly, but with a 1200 km radius the temperatures there go up  more than one degree. That smoothing algorithm must be a real work of art. 

Another thing that shows up is the fact that GISS does not have a single station in central Scandinavia, which is quite ridiculous. There are any number of stations there, some of them (e g Trondheim and Östersund) with very long, good quality temperature series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, this is getting interesting. If you change the smoothing radius from 1200 to 250 km, the colder than normal temperatures in western and northern Scandinavia show up clearly, but with a 1200 km radius the temperatures there go up  more than one degree. That smoothing algorithm must be a real work of art. </p>
<p>Another thing that shows up is the fact that GISS does not have a single station in central Scandinavia, which is quite ridiculous. There are any number of stations there, some of them (e g Trondheim and Östersund) with very long, good quality temperature series.</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
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		<dc:creator>tty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GISS tempertures for March are definitely well off on the high side in northern Europe. Compare the GISS set:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

with the official Norwegian and Swedish Met Office Maps:

http://met.no/filestore/tama0308m.jpg 

http://www.smhi.se/cmp/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=11142&amp;a=34309&amp;l=sv

Note that to get comparable maps you have to change the GISS &quot;base period&quot;  from the 1951-80 default to the the internationally used base period 1961-90 (and, yes, 1951-80 was appreciably colder than 1961-90).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GISS tempertures for March are definitely well off on the high side in northern Europe. Compare the GISS set:</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/</a></p>
<p>with the official Norwegian and Swedish Met Office Maps:</p>
<p><a href="http://met.no/filestore/tama0308m.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://met.no/filestore/tama0308m.jpg</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.smhi.se/cmp/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=11142&amp;a=34309&amp;l=sv" rel="nofollow">http://www.smhi.se/cmp/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=11142&amp;a=34309&amp;l=sv</a></p>
<p>Note that to get comparable maps you have to change the GISS &#8220;base period&#8221;  from the 1951-80 default to the the internationally used base period 1961-90 (and, yes, 1951-80 was appreciably colder than 1961-90).</p>
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		<title>By: John Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: GISS/Satlleite differences 

Check out March 1990 - very similar anomalies .

BTW Asia was very warm I mentioned this some weeks ago and that March was shaping up to be much warmer than Jan and Feb but was more or less dismissed.</description>
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<p>Check out March 1990 &#8211; very similar anomalies .</p>
<p>BTW Asia was very warm I mentioned this some weeks ago and that March was shaping up to be much warmer than Jan and Feb but was more or less dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: climatepatrol</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11286</link>
		<dc:creator>climatepatrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evan Jones
&lt;blockquote&gt;We are promised that all outliers are removed from data. Promised! Why, it’s Step One of the NOAA adjustment procedure (really). &lt;/blockquote&gt;
They keep closing down stations in Russia and China within a radius of 1200 km,  you kidder you. Within stations that have a March warming of +10° they removed this one from March evaluation, because it shows no warming trend at all:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/gistemp/STATIONS//tmp.205505270004.0.1/station.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gistemp station 205505270004.0.1 in Russia&lt;/a&gt;. 

I was not referring to such outliers. I mean GISS NASA as a March outlier in general because of their Russian/Chinese early spring &quot;surface heat wave&quot;. Gotta wait for NOAA NCDC. I don&#039;t know what you don&#039;t like about NOAA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evan Jones</p>
<blockquote><p>We are promised that all outliers are removed from data. Promised! Why, it’s Step One of the NOAA adjustment procedure (really). </p></blockquote>
<p>They keep closing down stations in Russia and China within a radius of 1200 km,  you kidder you. Within stations that have a March warming of +10° they removed this one from March evaluation, because it shows no warming trend at all:<br />
<a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/gistemp/STATIONS//tmp.205505270004.0.1/station.txt" rel="nofollow">gistemp station 205505270004.0.1 in Russia</a>. </p>
<p>I was not referring to such outliers. I mean GISS NASA as a March outlier in general because of their Russian/Chinese early spring &#8220;surface heat wave&#8221;. Gotta wait for NOAA NCDC. I don&#8217;t know what you don&#8217;t like about NOAA?</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steven mosher says:
&quot;if the chicoms had any brains they would report freezing temps to spike the GSMT downward, so that they can burn coal without being bothered.&quot;

Both China and Russia hope to make a pile of dough selling mythical carbon credits to Europeans so they have an incentive to report warming when there is none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steven mosher says:<br />
&#8220;if the chicoms had any brains they would report freezing temps to spike the GSMT downward, so that they can burn coal without being bothered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both China and Russia hope to make a pile of dough selling mythical carbon credits to Europeans so they have an incentive to report warming when there is none.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven mosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the chicoms had any brains they would report freezing temps to spike the GSMT downward, so that they can burn coal without being bothered.

More diabolical, they could report warmer temps so that everyone else would cut  energy consumption and then they would win.

 shrugs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the chicoms had any brains they would report freezing temps to spike the GSMT downward, so that they can burn coal without being bothered.</p>
<p>More diabolical, they could report warmer temps so that everyone else would cut  energy consumption and then they would win.</p>
<p> shrugs</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The map in the link I just posted looks a little different than the U.S. area of the GISS map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The map in the link I just posted looks a little different than the U.S. area of the GISS map.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11234</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to U.S. data for March: http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/cag3.html

March was the 52nd coolest for the US, just south of middle of the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to U.S. data for March: <a href="http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/cag3.html" rel="nofollow">http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/cag3.html</a></p>
<p>March was the 52nd coolest for the US, just south of middle of the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clicked the GISS map link supplied by climatepatrol, and the area on the map that is more than 4 above normal over Asia is incredibly HUGE! It&#039;s hard to believe.  I look at hemispheric 500mb weather maps frequently, and I sure don&#039;t remember seeing such a vast area of anoumalously high 500mb heights on that side of the world last month.  Maybe I missed it(?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clicked the GISS map link supplied by climatepatrol, and the area on the map that is more than 4 above normal over Asia is incredibly HUGE! It&#8217;s hard to believe.  I look at hemispheric 500mb weather maps frequently, and I sure don&#8217;t remember seeing such a vast area of anoumalously high 500mb heights on that side of the world last month.  Maybe I missed it(?).</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I know what you&#039;re talking about.  I was being sarcastic (I&#039;m kinda that way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I know what you&#8217;re talking about.  I was being sarcastic (I&#8217;m kinda that way).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Tom&#039;s a-cold!</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is jeez is an alias of IowaHawk.

How&#039;s about a little soliloquy by Lear&#039;s fool?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory is jeez is an alias of IowaHawk.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s about a little soliloquy by Lear&#8217;s fool?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11197</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;This seems to be the great +++ outliers &lt;/cite&gt;

Nonsense, old son.  We are promised that all outliers are removed from data. Promised! Why, it&#039;s Step One of the NOAA adjustment procedure (really). What you require is a greater trust in our great institutions.

I find your lack of faith . . . disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>This seems to be the great +++ outliers </cite></p>
<p>Nonsense, old son.  We are promised that all outliers are removed from data. Promised! Why, it&#8217;s Step One of the NOAA adjustment procedure (really). What you require is a greater trust in our great institutions.</p>
<p>I find your lack of faith . . . disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;This shows GISTEMP has been more variable *in both directions* recently,&lt;/cite&gt;

Yes; the distinct mark of the heat sink. Exaggeration of temperature increase during warming. Exaggerated regression during cooling.

You see, there&#039;s a part of this site everyone seems to be forgetting about: &quot;How not to measure temperature.&quot; Remember? (nudge-nudge)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>This shows GISTEMP has been more variable *in both directions* recently,</cite></p>
<p>Yes; the distinct mark of the heat sink. Exaggeration of temperature increase during warming. Exaggerated regression during cooling.</p>
<p>You see, there&#8217;s a part of this site everyone seems to be forgetting about: &#8220;How not to measure temperature.&#8221; Remember? (nudge-nudge)</p>
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		<title>By: climatepatrol</title>
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		<dc:creator>climatepatrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2008&amp;month_last=3&amp;sat=4&amp;sst=1&amp;type=anoms&amp;mean_gen=03&amp;year1=2008&amp;year2=2008&amp;base1=1951&amp;base2=1980&amp;radius=1200&amp;pol=reg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russian and Chinese surface stations&lt;/a&gt; 4 - 8 degrees above normal in GISS-Network in March 2008?? I doubt that!

Question: Is there a climate audit going on for the Russian and Chinese datasets of surface stations? This seems to be the great +++ outliers compared to satelite measurements. Gotta track that problem down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2008&amp;month_last=3&amp;sat=4&amp;sst=1&amp;type=anoms&amp;mean_gen=03&amp;year1=2008&amp;year2=2008&amp;base1=1951&amp;base2=1980&amp;radius=1200&amp;pol=reg" rel="nofollow">Russian and Chinese surface stations</a> 4 &#8211; 8 degrees above normal in GISS-Network in March 2008?? I doubt that!</p>
<p>Question: Is there a climate audit going on for the Russian and Chinese datasets of surface stations? This seems to be the great +++ outliers compared to satelite measurements. Gotta track that problem down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/uah-global-temp-anomaly-also-slightly-above-zero/#comment-11161</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the graph at http://sealevel.colorado.edu/ seems to have leveled off a little recently. I guess as the earth cools we should expect some lowering of sea level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the graph at <a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://sealevel.colorado.edu/</a> seems to have leveled off a little recently. I guess as the earth cools we should expect some lowering of sea level.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosspatch and Mattn, the amount of ice in Greenland and in the Antarctic dwarves all other ice on earth. This is the ice that some people worry about because it isn&#039;t floating. Since this ice is at very high historic levels, and sea level is apparently also rising, it seems that we must have extra water. There&#039;s probably a simple explanation for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosspatch and Mattn, the amount of ice in Greenland and in the Antarctic dwarves all other ice on earth. This is the ice that some people worry about because it isn&#8217;t floating. Since this ice is at very high historic levels, and sea level is apparently also rising, it seems that we must have extra water. There&#8217;s probably a simple explanation for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the sea level data, it seems a sharp sea level rise occurred in 1997 just before the super 1998 El Nino. I&#039;d say this was maybe due to thermal expansion. If this is not the case, could someone tell why this happened so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the sea level data, it seems a sharp sea level rise occurred in 1997 just before the super 1998 El Nino. I&#8217;d say this was maybe due to thermal expansion. If this is not the case, could someone tell why this happened so?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre Gosselin (aka AGWscoffer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Cook, Jeff Alberts
Thanks for the link - exactly what I was looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Cook, Jeff Alberts<br />
Thanks for the link &#8211; exactly what I was looking for.</p>
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