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		<title>By: Alan Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/rewriting-history-time-and-time-again/#comment-24265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Wilkinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole process seems bizarre and rather worse than sloppy.  

Surely you should not estimate missing data in order to evaluate a trend?  The missing data increases the uncertainty of your evaluation and cannot be replaced by estimates without loss of both data integrity and scientific integrity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole process seems bizarre and rather worse than sloppy.  </p>
<p>Surely you should not estimate missing data in order to evaluate a trend?  The missing data increases the uncertainty of your evaluation and cannot be replaced by estimates without loss of both data integrity and scientific integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goetz</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/rewriting-history-time-and-time-again/#comment-11225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Goetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Cross:

Correct, the magnitude of the fluctuations is not significant. It is significant enough, however, to cause changes in the ever-so-important temperature rankings we have all come to know and love. I found that surprising - it was not something I expected to see.

Something else I did not expect to see was how much a specific year&#039;s average can change over time. Take the &quot;hottest year on record&quot; - 1998. On Oct. 13, 1999 the anomaly was 65. On Jan. 26, 2001 it had risen to 66. On Feb. 11, 2002 it was 67. By Apr. 19, 2003 it was 70, which is where it stands today after a brief interlude back at 69 in mid-2006.  That&#039;s an almost 10% drift upward, due solely to the fact (as it appears) to more recent temperatures being added to the record. One would think an agency as august as NASA would be able to develop a more stable methodology. It just looks sloppy. 

So if there is a &quot;gotcha&quot; it is that we have found their process to add additional uncertainty beyond that already present in the data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Cross:</p>
<p>Correct, the magnitude of the fluctuations is not significant. It is significant enough, however, to cause changes in the ever-so-important temperature rankings we have all come to know and love. I found that surprising &#8211; it was not something I expected to see.</p>
<p>Something else I did not expect to see was how much a specific year&#8217;s average can change over time. Take the &#8220;hottest year on record&#8221; &#8211; 1998. On Oct. 13, 1999 the anomaly was 65. On Jan. 26, 2001 it had risen to 66. On Feb. 11, 2002 it was 67. By Apr. 19, 2003 it was 70, which is where it stands today after a brief interlude back at 69 in mid-2006.  That&#8217;s an almost 10% drift upward, due solely to the fact (as it appears) to more recent temperatures being added to the record. One would think an agency as august as NASA would be able to develop a more stable methodology. It just looks sloppy. </p>
<p>So if there is a &#8220;gotcha&#8221; it is that we have found their process to add additional uncertainty beyond that already present in the data.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Cross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I had some spare time over lunch and used the Wayback link (thanks for providing the link) to get the data for september 24, 2005 and then used the current data (with the March value).  Using Excel I subtracted the anomalies from the two data sets to look at the changes.  

Most of the monthly data change were on the order of + /  - 1 or 0.01C.  I also did the same with the annual data and again most of the annual changes were + / - 1 with a couple being +/- 2.  So I agree that there are a significant number of changes, but I do not think the changes are large enough to be relevant.  I seem to recall that the accuracy of the GISS is +/- 0.1C and more the further back you go - I am sure some of the people here will be able to supply a more accurate figure.  I also did a comparison between the monthly anomalies and the annual ones to see if the annual changes were being caused by the monthly ones and - to within round off error - they seemed to be.

A question further up caused me to look at the overall trends for the annual record (D-N).  From the two cases above I plotted the annual and using the trend function on Excel (yeah, I know its for wimps, but I was in a hurry) I found the trend for one to be +0.5695 and for the other to be +0.5742.  The R2 value was almost identical (0.6323 and 0.6341).

As a final check I plotted to annual values against each other.  I figure this would give me a good idea of how close they were.  A perfect match would have a slope of 1.  The slope in this case was 1.006.  

So I don&#039;t think there is a &quot;gotch-ya&quot; hiding there.  However I do tend to agree with the people who say it is a strange way to calculate a missing value.  If the data series was fairly flat (no trend) then it might make sense.  But I don&#039;t see any rationale for doing it this way.

John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I had some spare time over lunch and used the Wayback link (thanks for providing the link) to get the data for september 24, 2005 and then used the current data (with the March value).  Using Excel I subtracted the anomalies from the two data sets to look at the changes.  </p>
<p>Most of the monthly data change were on the order of + /  &#8211; 1 or 0.01C.  I also did the same with the annual data and again most of the annual changes were + / &#8211; 1 with a couple being +/- 2.  So I agree that there are a significant number of changes, but I do not think the changes are large enough to be relevant.  I seem to recall that the accuracy of the GISS is +/- 0.1C and more the further back you go &#8211; I am sure some of the people here will be able to supply a more accurate figure.  I also did a comparison between the monthly anomalies and the annual ones to see if the annual changes were being caused by the monthly ones and &#8211; to within round off error &#8211; they seemed to be.</p>
<p>A question further up caused me to look at the overall trends for the annual record (D-N).  From the two cases above I plotted the annual and using the trend function on Excel (yeah, I know its for wimps, but I was in a hurry) I found the trend for one to be +0.5695 and for the other to be +0.5742.  The R2 value was almost identical (0.6323 and 0.6341).</p>
<p>As a final check I plotted to annual values against each other.  I figure this would give me a good idea of how close they were.  A perfect match would have a slope of 1.  The slope in this case was 1.006.  </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think there is a &#8220;gotch-ya&#8221; hiding there.  However I do tend to agree with the people who say it is a strange way to calculate a missing value.  If the data series was fairly flat (no trend) then it might make sense.  But I don&#8217;t see any rationale for doing it this way.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: pdm</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John:
Match is the wrong word.  Looking back over the years of data it seems that GISS tells the same temperature story that RSS and the others do.  Is that not the case?  I say story because they don&#039;t use the same baseline.  

Having said that:

Earle:
I hear what you are saying regarding pre-satellite data.  It is rather suspicious, to put it kindly.  There isn&#039;t anything to compare against.

Would you agree that in the satellite period the data tell the same story?  If, in the future, the satellite history diverges then I would agree that the books are being cooked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:<br />
Match is the wrong word.  Looking back over the years of data it seems that GISS tells the same temperature story that RSS and the others do.  Is that not the case?  I say story because they don&#8217;t use the same baseline.  </p>
<p>Having said that:</p>
<p>Earle:<br />
I hear what you are saying regarding pre-satellite data.  It is rather suspicious, to put it kindly.  There isn&#8217;t anything to compare against.</p>
<p>Would you agree that in the satellite period the data tell the same story?  If, in the future, the satellite history diverges then I would agree that the books are being cooked.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First, let me say that I personally don’t think fraud of any sort is involved.&quot;

There is, after all, no controlling authority overseeing the &#039;Science&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, let me say that I personally don’t think fraud of any sort is involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is, after all, no controlling authority overseeing the &#8216;Science&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Earle Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Earle Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pdm,

It&#039;s not the end that is of concern, it is the beginning.  GISS matches the satellite record to some degree, true.  But it reqrites history by applying adjustments to past temperatures.  Look at the adjustments applied in the 100 years prior to the satellite record and you will see a remarkable similarity to the alleged increase in golbal temperature since the start of the industrial revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pdm,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the end that is of concern, it is the beginning.  GISS matches the satellite record to some degree, true.  But it reqrites history by applying adjustments to past temperatures.  Look at the adjustments applied in the 100 years prior to the satellite record and you will see a remarkable similarity to the alleged increase in golbal temperature since the start of the industrial revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bit off topic, but also about rewriting history. Recently I was looking for a nice picture of Antarctica&#039;s temperature trend, from NASA, that I had seen somewhere. I found it &lt;a href=&quot;http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;, but then I also found it...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17838&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; !... One shows the trend from 1982-2004, the other between 1981-2007. I can&#039;t figure out how we could have gone from cooling to warming by adding 4 years to the data...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off topic, but also about rewriting history. Recently I was looking for a nice picture of Antarctica&#8217;s temperature trend, from NASA, that I had seen somewhere. I found it <a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17257" rel="nofollow"> here </a>, but then I also found it&#8230;  <a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17838" rel="nofollow">here</a> !&#8230; One shows the trend from 1982-2004, the other between 1981-2007. I can&#8217;t figure out how we could have gone from cooling to warming by adding 4 years to the data&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/rewriting-history-time-and-time-again/#comment-11019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#29 !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 !</p>
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		<title>By: John Goetz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Goetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jeez, Anthony: Yes, jeez did find data going back to 1999 and posted links on CA. I&#039;ve already downloaded all of it but have not had a chance to crawl through it. I&#039;m not sure it merits much more investigation because I don&#039;t think we will learn any more than we know, which is the algorithm modifies the past when temperatures are added to the present. That should be enough to cause a double-take.

Thanks jeez!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeez, Anthony: Yes, jeez did find data going back to 1999 and posted links on CA. I&#8217;ve already downloaded all of it but have not had a chance to crawl through it. I&#8217;m not sure it merits much more investigation because I don&#8217;t think we will learn any more than we know, which is the algorithm modifies the past when temperatures are added to the present. That should be enough to cause a double-take.</p>
<p>Thanks jeez!</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Abrams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ Abrams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PDM.

Look at March numbers for GISS. No it most certainly does NOT work and does NOT match other records. Time for them to fiddle with the numbers again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PDM.</p>
<p>Look at March numbers for GISS. No it most certainly does NOT work and does NOT match other records. Time for them to fiddle with the numbers again.</p>
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		<title>By: DNorris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNorris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#32 now]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32 now</p>
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		<title>By: John Goetz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Goetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pdm, what do you mean by &quot;match&quot;? The data are not identical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pdm, what do you mean by &#8220;match&#8221;? The data are not identical.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Movin&#039; up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Movin&#8217; up!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/08/rewriting-history-time-and-time-again/#comment-10951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#57 even]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57 even</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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Check it out, John. You made top 100 Wordpress (#60).]]></description>
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<p>Check it out, John. You made top 100 WordPress (#60).</p>
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