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	<title>Comments on: Solar cycle minimum at the earliest in second half of 2008?</title>
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		<title>By: v.a.jara</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/07/solar-cycle-minimum-at-the-earliest-in-second-half-of-2008/#comment-66162</link>
		<dc:creator>v.a.jara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually next solar cycle is predicted to be small. and crops prices were largely dropping last 10 years, with a short up trends. the heating oil and gas were falling like a knife since some people here recommended to pile them up. so they are the agents of oil magnats.

if you read physics more carefully, you&#039;d understand that excess heat will easily irradiate back into space, so Algorean science is a branch of social sciences. the volcanoes make a bit of difference. while actual heat radiation from sun is very constant. it is only the X-rays and visual spots that make a difference into that solar minimum. i think we need to point to a good textbook, as many people have no idea about how things are in reality as opposed to man-made cliches !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually next solar cycle is predicted to be small. and crops prices were largely dropping last 10 years, with a short up trends. the heating oil and gas were falling like a knife since some people here recommended to pile them up. so they are the agents of oil magnats.</p>
<p>if you read physics more carefully, you&#8217;d understand that excess heat will easily irradiate back into space, so Algorean science is a branch of social sciences. the volcanoes make a bit of difference. while actual heat radiation from sun is very constant. it is only the X-rays and visual spots that make a difference into that solar minimum. i think we need to point to a good textbook, as many people have no idea about how things are in reality as opposed to man-made cliches !</p>
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		<title>By: e.m.smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>e.m.smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and a minor note on the &quot;rice shortage&quot;.  Little mentioned was the fact that Bayer Crop Sciences had an escape of a GMO rice that contaminated a nearby foundation seed stock for two of the major varieties planted in the Texas to Arkansas belt.  This wasn&#039;t found until too late.  Many countries forbade the import of US rice (fearing, rightly, that it could contaminate their stocks...).  Most of the U.S. farmers had to choose to roll the dice on more bad rice seeds of unfamiliar varieties or just plant something else for a year or two... lots of them chose to go the proven corn, soy, whatever route.

OK, take one of the largest rice exporters out of the market and the rice importers have shortages.  Take many farmers out of the US market and the US production drops.  We have plenty of rice, though, due to the lack of exports...  California rice was not impacted, being a short grain or mid grain types.  Only the long grain from &quot;back east&quot; was a problem.  The oriental markets were hit by panic buying from oriental restaurants... 

Doesn&#039;t have much to do with global warming (other than to point out that the US production hit was not weather related...).  

As a weather side bar:  Skiing resorts in South America are reporting great snow this winter (i.e. right now...)!

Oh, and the solar cycle was predicted some time ago; the predicted sunspot minima is already named for the predictor, so it can not be named the AlGore Minima... BUT we can start taking about the &quot;AlGore Cold Period&quot;!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and a minor note on the &#8220;rice shortage&#8221;.  Little mentioned was the fact that Bayer Crop Sciences had an escape of a GMO rice that contaminated a nearby foundation seed stock for two of the major varieties planted in the Texas to Arkansas belt.  This wasn&#8217;t found until too late.  Many countries forbade the import of US rice (fearing, rightly, that it could contaminate their stocks&#8230;).  Most of the U.S. farmers had to choose to roll the dice on more bad rice seeds of unfamiliar varieties or just plant something else for a year or two&#8230; lots of them chose to go the proven corn, soy, whatever route.</p>
<p>OK, take one of the largest rice exporters out of the market and the rice importers have shortages.  Take many farmers out of the US market and the US production drops.  We have plenty of rice, though, due to the lack of exports&#8230;  California rice was not impacted, being a short grain or mid grain types.  Only the long grain from &#8220;back east&#8221; was a problem.  The oriental markets were hit by panic buying from oriental restaurants&#8230; </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t have much to do with global warming (other than to point out that the US production hit was not weather related&#8230;).  </p>
<p>As a weather side bar:  Skiing resorts in South America are reporting great snow this winter (i.e. right now&#8230;)!</p>
<p>Oh, and the solar cycle was predicted some time ago; the predicted sunspot minima is already named for the predictor, so it can not be named the AlGore Minima&#8230; BUT we can start taking about the &#8220;AlGore Cold Period&#8221;!</p>
<p>;-)</p>
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		<title>By: e.m.smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>e.m.smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, ok, I&#039;ll add something... I&#039;m in California.  Silicon valley area, near the coast.  Most summers I get tomatoes OK, but it takes some time until July heat gets them going.  This year?  My &quot;Siberia&quot; tomatoes are doing fine (set fruit as low as 45 degrees or so!) but my pink Brandywine have given me nothing yet.  Today I found one small green fruit on it.  The Vine is about 5 feet tall and more in diameter, and one stinking green fruit the size of a kiwi.  Lots of flowers, no set due to cool temps.  Typical August temps are 90&#039;s with the occasional 100 or so.  Today was 85 ... don&#039;t remember the last 100...  I&#039;m getting a few fruit from my Arkansas Travelers, but in general my Tomatoes are just not happy.  It&#039;s too cold for them.

At the same time, I have runner beans (that like cool weather - the scarlet type that they grow in England) growing great.  They usually sulk in mid summer...  

I&#039;ve been shorting oil / energy over the summer (no AC demand!) but expect to put on a big long position in natural gas (XTO, UNG, CHK) as soon as the price crosses the 25 day moving average to the upside.  Probably about end of August early September?  I&#039;ll be watching grains too, but no position yet.

The first guy to notice commodity and economic cycles moving with sun spot cycles (at least, and write about it!) was William Stanley Jevons about 1878.  He is an important economist who created the idea of &quot;marginal utility&quot; (a fundamental concept in economics) and built an early calculating engine.  

He is also known for his work on the coal shortage in England which resulted in Jevon&#039;s Paradox:  Increasing efficiency does NOT reduce coal consumption!  The increased efficiency for any ONE use results in more uses and more users and total consumption goes UP not down!  So much for CAFE standards and efficiency improvements reducing oil demand...

BTW, improved efficiency is still a very good thing.  You get more stuff done for more people for a given amount of resource.  It just does not reduce total demand for coal (or one presumes, oil...).  The real solution is more supply or less demand (from higher prices).  The law of supply and demand.

I do wish folks would look at what is already known before running off the cliff of conclusion.  Oh Well.  Don&#039;t complain about them, make money off of them.  Mild summers will mean lower fuel demand and good buying opportunities while severe winters will mean stronger run ups in fuels.  It is likely that food harvests will also be down.  Short food processors and go long basic commodities (as their graphs give the timing...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, ok, I&#8217;ll add something&#8230; I&#8217;m in California.  Silicon valley area, near the coast.  Most summers I get tomatoes OK, but it takes some time until July heat gets them going.  This year?  My &#8220;Siberia&#8221; tomatoes are doing fine (set fruit as low as 45 degrees or so!) but my pink Brandywine have given me nothing yet.  Today I found one small green fruit on it.  The Vine is about 5 feet tall and more in diameter, and one stinking green fruit the size of a kiwi.  Lots of flowers, no set due to cool temps.  Typical August temps are 90&#8217;s with the occasional 100 or so.  Today was 85 &#8230; don&#8217;t remember the last 100&#8230;  I&#8217;m getting a few fruit from my Arkansas Travelers, but in general my Tomatoes are just not happy.  It&#8217;s too cold for them.</p>
<p>At the same time, I have runner beans (that like cool weather &#8211; the scarlet type that they grow in England) growing great.  They usually sulk in mid summer&#8230;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been shorting oil / energy over the summer (no AC demand!) but expect to put on a big long position in natural gas (XTO, UNG, CHK) as soon as the price crosses the 25 day moving average to the upside.  Probably about end of August early September?  I&#8217;ll be watching grains too, but no position yet.</p>
<p>The first guy to notice commodity and economic cycles moving with sun spot cycles (at least, and write about it!) was William Stanley Jevons about 1878.  He is an important economist who created the idea of &#8220;marginal utility&#8221; (a fundamental concept in economics) and built an early calculating engine.  </p>
<p>He is also known for his work on the coal shortage in England which resulted in Jevon&#8217;s Paradox:  Increasing efficiency does NOT reduce coal consumption!  The increased efficiency for any ONE use results in more uses and more users and total consumption goes UP not down!  So much for CAFE standards and efficiency improvements reducing oil demand&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, improved efficiency is still a very good thing.  You get more stuff done for more people for a given amount of resource.  It just does not reduce total demand for coal (or one presumes, oil&#8230;).  The real solution is more supply or less demand (from higher prices).  The law of supply and demand.</p>
<p>I do wish folks would look at what is already known before running off the cliff of conclusion.  Oh Well.  Don&#8217;t complain about them, make money off of them.  Mild summers will mean lower fuel demand and good buying opportunities while severe winters will mean stronger run ups in fuels.  It is likely that food harvests will also be down.  Short food processors and go long basic commodities (as their graphs give the timing&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Corbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Corbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No entries since June... March passed, July passed and now it&#039;s August and no blog entries since June.  Hasn&#039;t the Gore minimum continued and deepened?   Too busy trading corn, oats and hog bladders?   Reality is much more exciting than ideology, doctrine and paradigm.  So, let me tell you about my 1/2 acre of fingerling potatoes in Philadelphia PA.  They turned off 12 days early.  In fact they turned off very quickly and by 7/25/08 I realized something beyond the usual factors was amiss, that is when I started to look for answers.  I found the answer in the NOAA Solar graphs, which are astonishing...right!?  So should we expect a repeat of the winter of 1977, the romance of  Victorian winter or something a bit colder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No entries since June&#8230; March passed, July passed and now it&#8217;s August and no blog entries since June.  Hasn&#8217;t the Gore minimum continued and deepened?   Too busy trading corn, oats and hog bladders?   Reality is much more exciting than ideology, doctrine and paradigm.  So, let me tell you about my 1/2 acre of fingerling potatoes in Philadelphia PA.  They turned off 12 days early.  In fact they turned off very quickly and by 7/25/08 I realized something beyond the usual factors was amiss, that is when I started to look for answers.  I found the answer in the NOAA Solar graphs, which are astonishing&#8230;right!?  So should we expect a repeat of the winter of 1977, the romance of  Victorian winter or something a bit colder.</p>
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		<title>By: M White</title>
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		<dc:creator>M White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question by Michael Ronayne 
&quot;I will keep the Solar Cycle 23-24 animation updated. I do suspect that we will be seeing revised predictions very shortly. &quot;
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7376301.stm
Next decade &quot;may see no warming&quot; A new computer model developed by German researchers, reported in the journal Nature, suggests the cooling will counter greenhouse warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question by Michael Ronayne<br />
&#8220;I will keep the Solar Cycle 23-24 animation updated. I do suspect that we will be seeing revised predictions very shortly. &#8221;<br />
See <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7376301.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7376301.stm</a><br />
Next decade &#8220;may see no warming&#8221; A new computer model developed by German researchers, reported in the journal Nature, suggests the cooling will counter greenhouse warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Beano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great comments on this thread along with some up and coming bon mots
such as Algorean Science and the Gore Minimum.

I have bookmarked these words and I sense some of them will end up in the worldwide lexicon of AGW realists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great comments on this thread along with some up and coming bon mots<br />
such as Algorean Science and the Gore Minimum.</p>
<p>I have bookmarked these words and I sense some of them will end up in the worldwide lexicon of AGW realists.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that a parcel of air expanding with height does lose some energy since it does work on its surroundings. However, the work is done on surrounding parcels, so the atmosphere as a whole doesn&#039;t lose energy, which is the relevant point. The overall volume of the atmosphere is constrained by gravity, so that energy re-radiated from some point in the atmosphere must contribute a net increase in temperature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that a parcel of air expanding with height does lose some energy since it does work on its surroundings. However, the work is done on surrounding parcels, so the atmosphere as a whole doesn&#8217;t lose energy, which is the relevant point. The overall volume of the atmosphere is constrained by gravity, so that energy re-radiated from some point in the atmosphere must contribute a net increase in temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not entirely on the side of algorean science on the issue of global warming (and certainly not on that of the magical power of consensus!), but it bears pointing out that whatever may happen to climate because of the solar cycle has nothing to do with the hypothesis that anthropogenic emissions have a radiation forcing impact. (I dislike the misnomer &quot;greenhouse effect&quot; because, as someone has pointed out, the glass in a greenhouse doesn&#039;t do anything like the same thing.) Senifeld and Pandis has a good discussion of the mechanism behind this forcing. 

To D. Dodd I will only point out that gas warmed by absorption of longwave radiation does *not* lose energy upon the ensuing expansion, although its temperatures does decrease, since it gains potential energy along with height. On your hypothesis, even increasing solar energy wouldn&#039;t be able to warm the atmosphere, since that would equally result in expansion! Clearly, increasing incoming radiation, whatever the source, tends to warm the system. &quot;Greenhouse&quot; gasses have that effect, because they absorb outgoing longwave radiation from the Earth, which would otherwise escape to space, and re-emit it in a random direction. Sometimes that random direction is directly outward, in which case there is no effect, but usually it is either downward or obliquely into the atmosphere, in which case the net temperature of the surface and the atmosphere is slightly increased. The magnitude and secondary effects of this process are not yet well known, nor is the potentially mitigating effect of changes in the solar cycle, but the basic physics of changing atmospheric temperature as a result of changing atmospheric composition are relatively simple. Now, leftist politicians have latched on to this bit of science to sell scaremongering scenarios of molten ice caps and the like, without any proof. But don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bathwater! As usual, there&#039;s a kernel of truth behind the propaganda, and it may even be one that warrants action. Please let me know, or check out Seinfeld &amp; Pandis, if you have any questions. (It&#039;s good to question the conventional wisdom.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely on the side of algorean science on the issue of global warming (and certainly not on that of the magical power of consensus!), but it bears pointing out that whatever may happen to climate because of the solar cycle has nothing to do with the hypothesis that anthropogenic emissions have a radiation forcing impact. (I dislike the misnomer &#8220;greenhouse effect&#8221; because, as someone has pointed out, the glass in a greenhouse doesn&#8217;t do anything like the same thing.) Senifeld and Pandis has a good discussion of the mechanism behind this forcing. </p>
<p>To D. Dodd I will only point out that gas warmed by absorption of longwave radiation does *not* lose energy upon the ensuing expansion, although its temperatures does decrease, since it gains potential energy along with height. On your hypothesis, even increasing solar energy wouldn&#8217;t be able to warm the atmosphere, since that would equally result in expansion! Clearly, increasing incoming radiation, whatever the source, tends to warm the system. &#8220;Greenhouse&#8221; gasses have that effect, because they absorb outgoing longwave radiation from the Earth, which would otherwise escape to space, and re-emit it in a random direction. Sometimes that random direction is directly outward, in which case there is no effect, but usually it is either downward or obliquely into the atmosphere, in which case the net temperature of the surface and the atmosphere is slightly increased. The magnitude and secondary effects of this process are not yet well known, nor is the potentially mitigating effect of changes in the solar cycle, but the basic physics of changing atmospheric temperature as a result of changing atmospheric composition are relatively simple. Now, leftist politicians have latched on to this bit of science to sell scaremongering scenarios of molten ice caps and the like, without any proof. But don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bathwater! As usual, there&#8217;s a kernel of truth behind the propaganda, and it may even be one that warrants action. Please let me know, or check out Seinfeld &amp; Pandis, if you have any questions. (It&#8217;s good to question the conventional wisdom.)</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Mr. Sadlov, you win:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/24/news/companies/rice_issues/?postversion=2008042414</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Mr. Sadlov, you win:</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/24/news/companies/rice_issues/?postversion=2008042414" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/24/news/companies/rice_issues/?postversion=2008042414</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernd Felsche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernd Felsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez,

Regarding the Guardian&#039;s 8 billion figure, they&#039;ve revised the figure down to 3 billion (let&#039;s hope that the revised figure was derived more scientifically than the former), but still failed to come to grips with the real issues. Or deliberately skirted them.

The Guardian doesn&#039;t mention the normal, long-term supply fluctuation; just the _predicted_ one of a 3.5% reduction. Nor how much of the rice produced goes to waste before reaching the table.

The 50% increase in price is akin to that of oil. Largely due to speculation and  profiteering. As a result, tiny negative changes in supply produce enormous, positive price responses. -3.5% =&gt; +50%

OTOH; it takes a large positive increase in availability for a small reduction in price. If not also an increase in price to hedge &quot;instability of supply&quot;.

Methinks that the machine is broken.

A very small number of the three billion would be at risk if their portions of rice were reduced by 3.5%. It&#039;s the speculation that results in their portions being 33% smaller. I guess one could call that &lt;i&gt;making a killing&lt;/i&gt; on the commodities market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez,</p>
<p>Regarding the Guardian&#8217;s 8 billion figure, they&#8217;ve revised the figure down to 3 billion (let&#8217;s hope that the revised figure was derived more scientifically than the former), but still failed to come to grips with the real issues. Or deliberately skirted them.</p>
<p>The Guardian doesn&#8217;t mention the normal, long-term supply fluctuation; just the _predicted_ one of a 3.5% reduction. Nor how much of the rice produced goes to waste before reaching the table.</p>
<p>The 50% increase in price is akin to that of oil. Largely due to speculation and  profiteering. As a result, tiny negative changes in supply produce enormous, positive price responses. -3.5% =&gt; +50%</p>
<p>OTOH; it takes a large positive increase in availability for a small reduction in price. If not also an increase in price to hedge &#8220;instability of supply&#8221;.</p>
<p>Methinks that the machine is broken.</p>
<p>A very small number of the three billion would be at risk if their portions of rice were reduced by 3.5%. It&#8217;s the speculation that results in their portions being 33% smaller. I guess one could call that <i>making a killing</i> on the commodities market.</p>
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		<title>By: Scronker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scronker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff B. 
The axiom is &quot;Occams Razor&quot;.
As you point out very applicable in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff B.<br />
The axiom is &#8220;Occams Razor&#8221;.<br />
As you point out very applicable in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: audreypancake</title>
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		<dc:creator>audreypancake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, I don&#039;t quite understand though. But I do love astronomy. Tell me more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, I don&#8217;t quite understand though. But I do love astronomy. Tell me more!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;The temperature decreases. 
Watch the frozen sean, as my pulse go down. 
The king has lost its crown.
Cold sun, will never shine. 
Freezing clouds, ready to fall.
Killing us all.&lt;/cite&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The temperature decreases.<br />
Watch the frozen sean, as my pulse go down.<br />
The king has lost its crown.<br />
Cold sun, will never shine.<br />
Freezing clouds, ready to fall.<br />
Killing us all.</cite></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Buy heating oil/gas futures.  Invest in coal processing plants.  Buy a mature wood lot now because if you heat with wood, it will also get very expensive.  There will be a run on wood/pellet stoves so get your&#039;s ordered now.  Buy any kind of grain crop future.  Buy any kind of fruit crop future.  The prices will likely soar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Buy heating oil/gas futures.  Invest in coal processing plants.  Buy a mature wood lot now because if you heat with wood, it will also get very expensive.  There will be a run on wood/pellet stoves so get your&#8217;s ordered now.  Buy any kind of grain crop future.  Buy any kind of fruit crop future.  The prices will likely soar.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Cooling: Signs Say Yes &#171; Bob&#8217;s Bites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Cooling: Signs Say Yes &#171; Bob&#8217;s Bites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Solar cycle minimum at the earliest in second half of 2008? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Solar cycle minimum at the earliest in second half of 2008? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Algorean science&quot; - I love it.  :-)

Sometimes the humour here is just so delicious and spot on.

Bit like chocolate drops on my wife&#039;s mouth-watering brownies....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Algorean science&#8221; &#8211; I love it.  :-)</p>
<p>Sometimes the humour here is just so delicious and spot on.</p>
<p>Bit like chocolate drops on my wife&#8217;s mouth-watering brownies&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Chemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since a consensus predicted that the cycle would start in March and the sun has not cooperated, there can be only one explanation --   the sun has been bought by big oil.  
By the way, I &#039;ve been buying stock of natural gas related companies for the past few months.  For what its worth, I think it is not too late to get in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since a consensus predicted that the cycle would start in March and the sun has not cooperated, there can be only one explanation &#8212;   the sun has been bought by big oil.<br />
By the way, I &#8216;ve been buying stock of natural gas related companies for the past few months.  For what its worth, I think it is not too late to get in.</p>
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		<title>By: TT and other science geeks - VolNation</title>
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		<dc:creator>TT and other science geeks - VolNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] something new on that solar angle:  Solar cycle minimum at the earliest in second half of 2008? « Watts Up With That?  And yet another tidbit that I&#8217;m predicting will find precious little play in the mainstream media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer minimum goes on, the lower #24 will be.  Right now, looks like we can bank on &lt;75 maximum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer minimum goes on, the lower #24 will be.  Right now, looks like we can bank on &lt;75 maximum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/04/07/solar-cycle-minimum-at-the-earliest-in-second-half-of-2008/#comment-10860</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What would cause the big predictors to think small.
If solar minimum drags out beyond March, 2008.

What would cause the small predictors to think big.
If either the magnetic field at the sunâ€™s poles increases in strength or geomagnetic activity increases before March, 2008.&quot;


Hmmmm, it looks like a small cycle. Good thing the sun has absolutely no effect on climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would cause the big predictors to think small.<br />
If solar minimum drags out beyond March, 2008.</p>
<p>What would cause the small predictors to think big.<br />
If either the magnetic field at the sunâ€™s poles increases in strength or geomagnetic activity increases before March, 2008.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmmm, it looks like a small cycle. Good thing the sun has absolutely no effect on climate.</p>
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