comment March 24, 18:58

REPLY: Ah, here we have evidence (follow the link) that the Internet crackpot Dr. John A. Davison is now stooping to doing what he has repeatedly said he abhors; posting anonymously as a phantom in order to get a posting here. It is the childish equivalent of having a tantrum: “look at me!, pay attention to me!”

He writes at the link above: “Since I have been banned from “Watts Up With That?” I was forced to use a phony email address to introduce my above comment there.”

Dr. Davison write this down in your scribblelog of incoherent ramblings: you are a hypocritical crackpot!

I love it so!

“Mankind fiddles while the universe does whatever it damn well pleases.”

Now go away and don’t ever come back under any persona. Go order a pizza

Can’t speak for anywhere else in the world, but they are up to their butts in eathworms in the NYC suburbs.

I am working on a “Global Warming for the Layman” paper based on the outlining principles I have expressed earlier in this thread. We’ll see wher that leads.

Today’s interpreters of the weather are what social scientists call availability entrepreneurs: the activists, journalists and publicity-savvy scientists who selectively monitor the globe looking for newsworthy evidence of a new form of sinfulness, burning fossil fuels.

In Feb., an editorial in the Boston Globe by Jeff Jacoby titled “Br-r-r! Where did global warming go?” appeared.

These are only a couple examples, I’m sure there are many more. The pace needs to be stepped up though, to keep them from ramming through harmful legislation. People need to speak out. Write letters. The AGW lie must be exposed. There is too much at stake for it not to be.

Dr. Davison has been permanently banned from this forum for trolling for traffic on another thread. He is the first and only person to earn this distinction, but it appears that has been his goal all along. You can see the reason on this thread in the comments:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/new-ams-draft-policy-statement-links-hurricane-katrina-and-climate/

Thank you again for your comments. The issue here really is that you are making claims that can be refuted with facts, and instead of engaging the factual discussion on those claims, you just ramp up with more quotes. Quotes don’t impress us. A book by a zoologist called the “Weather Makers” doesn’t impress us, though it does you. That’s ok, that’s your right. But it is going nowhere here.

At issue is your refusal to engage the factual debate with real facts, rather you rely on quotes and anecdotes. That is the communications problem. Until you try a different tact, I think the results to your postings will be the same on most any forum you engage. By your own admisson your experiences elsewhere follow this pattern.

Since you enjoy anecdotes, if I were to pick one that sums up the issue best it would be this one:

“What we have here…is…failure to communicate” – Captain, Cool hand Luke, 1967.

Respectfully, I suggest that since we apparently are not communicating well, that we just give it a rest. Have a pleasant weekend everyone.

This thread is closed then until Monday, since I will not have time to moderate it.

I wish Bruce Cobb didn’t feel compelled to insult Tim Flannery. It gives the blog a bad name. I admire Flannery and identify with his views. It makes me irritable when he is treated with contempt and everybody knows what that means. Bruce Cobb has already made my list (#71on my WHY BANISHMENT? thread). I thought that stuff was going to stop. Flame blogs are a dime a dozen on the internet and Anthony Watts’ forum doesn’t have to one of them.

Confident of my position and Flannery’s, I have changed the tense of my signature.

“Mankind fiddled while earth burned.”
John A. Davison

Mankind is the weather maker. We make the weather. That is the take home lesson in the book by “fruitloop Flannney.”

Weather is created by differential heating of the earth’s surface. Do not confuse weather and climate.

“Mankind fiddled while earth burned.”
John A. Davison

One of the glaring oversights with these high priests of humans causing global warming is an assumption that our largest plasma discharge formation the sun and our galactic environment doesn’t do anything. Just how terribly wrong can one really be?

Then some people simply see earth’s climate politically with all the alarmist warmers on the left. But the big misconception here is that sunnyboy doesn’t go to the ballotbox and vote on anything.

Then we look at the media and all we see on very important scientific issues is the rise of a particularly nasty media priest class. The mainstream media in Australia are not about honest investigative science journalism but do an excellent job of reducing basic science to theology.

Two programmes I watched last night dealing with anthropogenic global warming should be preceded by a disclaimer that it is propaganda, not a documentary. These programs were about creating alarm through sea levels and melting ice caps which is quite misleading. However the actual facts of the matter are quite the opposite. e.g. Last September, NASA satellites showed the Antarctic Ice Field to be the largest it has ever been in the 30 years it has been observed by satellite.

I stand corrected, thank you for pointing that out.

“The testimony of 3000 independent weather stations, including the Mauna Loa station in Hawaii, tell a different story than what characterizes the posture of Watts Up With That?”

You mean like these? The ones on rooftops, in parking lots, and at sewage treatment plants, and airport runways?

See this: http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/category/weather_stations/

Only 13% on NOAA’s stations surveyed so far meet NOAA’s own exposure specs, and we’ve surveyed 502.

“I thank you for letting me present my heresies here.”

You are welcome, I hope you came away learning something, I know I did.

I have my sources. You have yours. If you want to declare victory, be my guest. I really don’t care that much any more. There is no place for debate or even discussion in science. There is only discovery and disclosure. The testimony of 3000 independent weather stations, including the Mauna Loa station in Hawaii, tell a different story than what characterizes the posture of Watts Up With That?

I thank you for letting me present my heresies here. That places this forum a cut above Pharyngula, Panda’s Thumb, EvC, ARN, RichardDawkins.net, Uncommon Descent and other weblogs where I am not allowed to speak at all.

“Mankind fiddled while earth burned.”
John A. Davison

“Let us a little permit Nature to take her own way; she better understands her own affairs than we….Men believe most what they least understand.”
Montaigne

“Study Nature not books.”
Louis Agassiz

When we look at hurricanes that have made landfall in the last 150 years, there appears to be no discernible trend, and none that seemingly coincides with observed warming trends.

See the graph of hurricane frequency for the last 150 years.

On top of that, just last month, NOAA issued a press release saying that “There is nothing in the U.S. hurricane damage record that indicates global warming has caused a significant increase in destruction along our coasts.” The source of the press release was the National Hurricane Center, from Chris Landsea, one of the researchers for the scientific paper that spurred this pronouncement as well as the NHC science and operations officer. They “get it” at NHC, it appears.

Tornadoes “appear” to be getting more frequent, but wait there’s more to it:

See this graph from NWS/NOAA. Smaller (F1) tornadoes seem to be on the increase, but not larger ones.
I see it as simply increased reporting bias. No I’m not talking about talking heads in news stories, but rather, our ability to detect and report tornadoes has increased dramatically in the last 50 years.

There are three main reasons:

1) Our 155 strong WSR-88D NEXRAD Doppler Radar Network. This nationwide tool sees tornadoes with more regularity than the old WSR74 and WSR57 C band analog radars which used to be the mainstay of the NWS radar network. Often tornadoes that would have gone undetected and unseen before (such as in unpopulated areas) are reported with accuracy by Doppler radar.

2) Increased population density. There are more people around in places that used to be uninhabited resulting in more tornado reports where before they went unseen. It is sort of like a twist on that old saying: “If a tree falls in the forest and there’s nobody to hear it, does it make a sound?”

3) More reporting coverage. TV news and storm chasers make getting tornadoes on live TV almost as regular as watching LA car chases. Helicopters with video feeds, live vans, and just regular folks with a K-Mart video camera in the right place at the right time increase the frequency with which we see severe weather events on TV, resulting in the “feeling” that such events are on the increase.

Lets talk about that “melting” ice:

Arctic ice is more than this time last year, the graph from the University of Illinois is indisputable in showing this. Make sure you make your browser window as wide as possible, to see the graph, then click this link.

Antarctic sea ice is well above normal too, it has just started it’s summer melt cycle, but even so remains above normal. Like above, make your browser wide and click this link

And about Greenland and Flannery’s statement: ” He thinks it is grand that they are now growing brocolli in Greenland.”

Well maybe not.

Apparently, like the growing Arctic sea ice Greenland has a lot of cold and ice too. In fact they have the most sea ice around Greenland in 15 years. Minus 30 degrees Celsius. That’s how cold it’s been in large parts of western Greenland where the population has been bundling up in hats and scarves. At the same time, Denmark’s Meteorological Institute states that the ice between Canada and southwest Greenland right now has reached its greatest extent in 15 years.

Looks like Flannery is wrong, it doesn’t look like great “broccoli growing weather” to me.

Now what do you say Dr. Davison, accept what you see from these sources or cast all this actual information aside with some quote? Personally I think you are misinformed by relying on one book “the weather makers”, written by a zoologist, to guide your understanding. Limiting one’s scope results in isolated views.

Mankind is the weather maker. We make the weather. That is the take home lesson in the book by “fruitloop Flannney.”

I stand by my interpretation because it incorporates the realities that we KNOW for certain are going on. Both poles ARE melting, the glaciers ARE retreating, precipitation IS increasing, violent weather IS increasing. Are there those here who can deny these facts? Are there those here who question the validity of the Mauna Loa weather station data? I have summarized much of this on my GLOBAL WARMING thread and I have repeated it here and at “brainstorms” as well. DaveScot/David Springer over at Uncommon Descent has ignored the facts as well and, as some here have done, celebrated the virtues of higher CO2 levels and warming with very little evidence that those higher levels have any beneficial effect on plant growth in the natural world. He thinks it is grand that they are now growing brocolli in Greenland. That kind of myopic optimism is what I find amazing. The earth over the last relatively few years has been undergoing changes that before man was here took very much longer, thirty times longer according to Flannery. I am not certain about exactly how much faster it is now, but there is absolutely no question that the rate of change in the geophysical nature of the planet is proceeding at an incredible rate at present, a rate, as I see it, that is steadily increasing. If we alarmists are wrong it will eventually become evident and we will look like fools. I will probably be gone before that day comes but as long as I breathe I will remain an alarmist because all the concrete facts plead for that position.

I do not believe that variations in solar output are contributing significantly to the current scenario which, in my opinion, is dominated largely, if not completely, by rapidly increasing atmospheric levels of the two major green house gases, CO2 and H2O vapor, increases due entirely to an ever increasing technologically advanced civilization, one which I do not believe can survive this century and possibly not the next 50 years. I am not even certain that it will survive the next twenty years and neither is anyone else.

“Mankind fiddled while earth burned.”

I see this ice in a bucket example, as someone doing his best with this now obsolete assumption of finite universal causality. This is the single underlining problem with this climate debate. i.e. closed systems “experts” who do their best to design their own climate with their faulty modeling, and unable to see outside the earth’s troposphere. It is no coincidence that we have Fruitloop Flannery wanting to be one of the “Weather Makers”. These joker all assume now is the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that our largest plasma discharge formation the sun is somehow perfect, constant and regular. This is all part of this problem and an absurdity.

Whilst we get teddy (god) wars and big bang stooopidities it doesn’t get any more anthropocentric than human co2 emmissions causing global warming.

That’s like comparing apples and aardvarks.

Much of the earth’s surface would freeze in a matter of days if it were not for solar input. So many forget that important variable.