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	<title>Comments on: Now THIS is interesting: Pielke on Dr. Joanne Simpson</title>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/27/now-this-is-interesting-pielke-on-dr-joanne-simpson/#comment-7534</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a note to everyone. Mr. Davison wants to have the conversation on his terms, and I agree. Lets do that for him.

If you want to converse with him, please do so at his blog:

http://john.a.davison.free.fr 

This thread is now closed for additional comments since it is just becoming nothing but spin around Davison&#039;s comments, instead of what the post was originally about, which were Dr. Joanne Simpson&#039;s views on the climate science issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note to everyone. Mr. Davison wants to have the conversation on his terms, and I agree. Lets do that for him.</p>
<p>If you want to converse with him, please do so at his blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://john.a.davison.free.fr" rel="nofollow">http://john.a.davison.free.fr</a> </p>
<p>This thread is now closed for additional comments since it is just becoming nothing but spin around Davison&#8217;s comments, instead of what the post was originally about, which were Dr. Joanne Simpson&#8217;s views on the climate science issues.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/27/now-this-is-interesting-pielke-on-dr-joanne-simpson/#comment-7527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wikipedia? That ultra-liberal, uncontrolled, unrefereed joke is to cyberdumb what The New York Times is to the print media. I have always named my sources and quoted them in their own words.  My sources are some of the finest minds of the past and the present. Tim Flannery is one of them. Of course he is an alarmist. So am I. What do you intend to do about it, ban me? That wouldn&#039;t surprise me in the least. Blogbullies do that sort of thing. That is how they maintain control. Do what you have to do. I do. That is the way it is supposed to be, the way it was &quot;prescribed&quot; to be. I couldn&#039;t care less.

&quot;Everything is determined...by forces over which we have no control.&quot;
Albert Einstein

I wonder who your intellectual heros are or even if you have any.

&quot;No sadder proof can be given by a man of his own littleness than disbelief in great men.&quot;
Thomas Carlyle

&quot;Mankind fiddles while earth burns.&quot;
john A. Davison

john.a.davison.free.fr/

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt;Ok lets use Tim Flannery&#039;s about page for &quot;The Weathermakers&quot;

http://www.theweathermakers.org/about/

Note he makes no claim of being a climatologist himself, the word &quot;climatologist&quot; does not appear anywhere in his own bio. So STOP saying he is one. It seems you are incapable of basic research.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia? That ultra-liberal, uncontrolled, unrefereed joke is to cyberdumb what The New York Times is to the print media. I have always named my sources and quoted them in their own words.  My sources are some of the finest minds of the past and the present. Tim Flannery is one of them. Of course he is an alarmist. So am I. What do you intend to do about it, ban me? That wouldn&#8217;t surprise me in the least. Blogbullies do that sort of thing. That is how they maintain control. Do what you have to do. I do. That is the way it is supposed to be, the way it was &#8220;prescribed&#8221; to be. I couldn&#8217;t care less.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything is determined&#8230;by forces over which we have no control.&#8221;<br />
Albert Einstein</p>
<p>I wonder who your intellectual heros are or even if you have any.</p>
<p>&#8220;No sadder proof can be given by a man of his own littleness than disbelief in great men.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Carlyle</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind fiddles while earth burns.&#8221;<br />
john A. Davison</p>
<p>john.a.davison.free.fr/</p>
<p><strong>REPLY: </strong>Ok lets use Tim Flannery&#8217;s about page for &#8220;The Weathermakers&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theweathermakers.org/about/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theweathermakers.org/about/</a></p>
<p>Note he makes no claim of being a climatologist himself, the word &#8220;climatologist&#8221; does not appear anywhere in his own bio. So STOP saying he is one. It seems you are incapable of basic research.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/27/now-this-is-interesting-pielke-on-dr-joanne-simpson/#comment-7499</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts

Flannery is indeed a Mammalogist and Paleontologist and Climatologist too. In my opinion he is far more qualified to comment on climatology than you are. I don&#039;t even know who you are. What have you published? What are your credentials?

You have also become one of my favorites sources of denigration. Check out #71 on my WHY BANISHMENT? thread.

&quot;Mankind fiddles while earth burns....A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison

john.a.davison.free.fr/

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Actually you are wrong about the climatologist part. From Wikipedia, Flannery&#039;s description reads: 
&quot;Professor Timothy Fridtjof Flannery (born 28 January 1956) is an Australian mammalogist, palaeontologist and global warming activist.&quot;

&quot;global warming activist&quot; does not equal &quot;climatologist&quot;, saying it does is like saying noise=music

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Alberts</p>
<p>Flannery is indeed a Mammalogist and Paleontologist and Climatologist too. In my opinion he is far more qualified to comment on climatology than you are. I don&#8217;t even know who you are. What have you published? What are your credentials?</p>
<p>You have also become one of my favorites sources of denigration. Check out #71 on my WHY BANISHMENT? thread.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind fiddles while earth burns&#8230;.A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
<p>john.a.davison.free.fr/</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Actually you are wrong about the climatologist part. From Wikipedia, Flannery&#8217;s description reads:<br />
&#8220;Professor Timothy Fridtjof Flannery (born 28 January 1956) is an Australian mammalogist, palaeontologist and global warming activist.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;global warming activist&#8221; does not equal &#8220;climatologist&#8221;, saying it does is like saying noise=music</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;My convictions on the causes of global warming are well known and agree with those of Tim Flannery for whom i have great respect as a researcher, a naturalist and a climatologist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as I know Flannery is a Mammologist and Paleontologist, not a climatologist. So he&#039;s as qualified to comment on climatology as I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My convictions on the causes of global warming are well known and agree with those of Tim Flannery for whom i have great respect as a researcher, a naturalist and a climatologist.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I know Flannery is a Mammologist and Paleontologist, not a climatologist. So he&#8217;s as qualified to comment on climatology as I am.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/27/now-this-is-interesting-pielke-on-dr-joanne-simpson/#comment-7448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thank Evan Jones for his intervention on my behalf. It places this weblog a cut above most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank Evan Jones for his intervention on my behalf. It places this weblog a cut above most.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/27/now-this-is-interesting-pielke-on-dr-joanne-simpson/#comment-7437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan Jones

Thank you for your intervention. That is unique in my experience. My convictions on the causes of global warming are well known and agree with those of Tim Flannery for whom i have great respect as a researcher, a naturalist and a climatologist. The primary and dominant cause of the rapid changes that the earth is now undergoing is the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration. Variations in the activity of the sun and the Milankovich cycles which are very real, pale in comparison to the rapid changes now taking place which correlate perfectly with the records of the Mauno Loa station in Hawaii. It is my conviction, which I share with Flannery, that for all practical purposes, CO2 is the sole cause of the dramatic alterations that now threaten our very existence not only as a civilization, but perhaps even as a species. 

It was in another doomsday book, Patrick Buchanan&#039;s &quot;Day of Reckoning,&quot; that I found an appropriate comment on page 160.

&quot;As Pogo said, &#039;We have met the enemy and he is us.&#039;&quot;

&quot;Day of Reckoning&quot; would have been a much better title for Tim Flannery&#039;s &quot;The Weather Makers.&quot;

I am convinced with Buchanan that we are also doomed politically and economically. Our greed will surely destroy us as we try to inflict our views on every other nation on earth. We are just as assuredly doomed by our physical presence, a monoculture approaching seven billions. It is absurd to imagine that such a biomass of large mammals coud possible survive in the technological world that made those numbers possible. We have created a nightmare for ourselves from which there will be no awakening. The only conceivable solution would be to reduce our numbers by two orders of magnitude to what they were a mere two centuries ago. Only China is facing this reality which is to their credit. Such a reduction would require a world government which could enforce one child per couple. Even if that could be achieved, I believe it is already too late. 

There is no need to further elaborate my position here except to assert, as I did in the message that never appeared, that evolution and global warming are intimately related subjects. It was the evolution that produced Homo sapiens that ultimately produced the Industrial Revolution which began only two centuries ago and with it came the Age of Technology which I believe is the terminal age of human history. It is my conviction that we are comitting suicide with CO2, the molecule that made the Age of Technology possible. I further believe that there is absolutely nothing that we can now do to prevent it from occurring before the end of the present century and probably much sooner. 

It is not pleasant for me to have to offer this pessimistic scenario, but I nevertheless feel it is my responsibilty as both a scientist and a citizen to do so.

&quot;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable,,,....Mankind fiddles while earth  burns.&quot;
John A. Davison]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Jones</p>
<p>Thank you for your intervention. That is unique in my experience. My convictions on the causes of global warming are well known and agree with those of Tim Flannery for whom i have great respect as a researcher, a naturalist and a climatologist. The primary and dominant cause of the rapid changes that the earth is now undergoing is the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration. Variations in the activity of the sun and the Milankovich cycles which are very real, pale in comparison to the rapid changes now taking place which correlate perfectly with the records of the Mauno Loa station in Hawaii. It is my conviction, which I share with Flannery, that for all practical purposes, CO2 is the sole cause of the dramatic alterations that now threaten our very existence not only as a civilization, but perhaps even as a species. </p>
<p>It was in another doomsday book, Patrick Buchanan&#8217;s &#8220;Day of Reckoning,&#8221; that I found an appropriate comment on page 160.</p>
<p>&#8220;As Pogo said, &#8216;We have met the enemy and he is us.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Day of Reckoning&#8221; would have been a much better title for Tim Flannery&#8217;s &#8220;The Weather Makers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am convinced with Buchanan that we are also doomed politically and economically. Our greed will surely destroy us as we try to inflict our views on every other nation on earth. We are just as assuredly doomed by our physical presence, a monoculture approaching seven billions. It is absurd to imagine that such a biomass of large mammals coud possible survive in the technological world that made those numbers possible. We have created a nightmare for ourselves from which there will be no awakening. The only conceivable solution would be to reduce our numbers by two orders of magnitude to what they were a mere two centuries ago. Only China is facing this reality which is to their credit. Such a reduction would require a world government which could enforce one child per couple. Even if that could be achieved, I believe it is already too late. </p>
<p>There is no need to further elaborate my position here except to assert, as I did in the message that never appeared, that evolution and global warming are intimately related subjects. It was the evolution that produced Homo sapiens that ultimately produced the Industrial Revolution which began only two centuries ago and with it came the Age of Technology which I believe is the terminal age of human history. It is my conviction that we are comitting suicide with CO2, the molecule that made the Age of Technology possible. I further believe that there is absolutely nothing that we can now do to prevent it from occurring before the end of the present century and probably much sooner. </p>
<p>It is not pleasant for me to have to offer this pessimistic scenario, but I nevertheless feel it is my responsibilty as both a scientist and a citizen to do so.</p>
<p>&#8220;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable,,,&#8230;.Mankind fiddles while earth  burns.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I beg to differ. Evolution and global warming are intimately related. You are more interested in CONTROL than in the truth. You are no different than every other blogczar, insecure, protectionist and power crazed. That is why you deleted my comment. It did not conform with your bias. I recommend you replace it but that is entirely up to you. It is likely that you can’t can’t as you probably destroyed it in a fit of pique. That was a mistake and if so is one you will regret. I love to expose my adversaries with their own actions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are one paranoid person. PLEASE take your medication! For our sake!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I beg to differ. Evolution and global warming are intimately related. You are more interested in CONTROL than in the truth. You are no different than every other blogczar, insecure, protectionist and power crazed. That is why you deleted my comment. It did not conform with your bias. I recommend you replace it but that is entirely up to you. It is likely that you can’t can’t as you probably destroyed it in a fit of pique. That was a mistake and if so is one you will regret. I love to expose my adversaries with their own actions.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are one paranoid person. PLEASE take your medication! For our sake!</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see you deleted my next one too. You are trash, no better than P.Z. Myers .

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; And I will continue to delete any posts on evolution you make, if you don&#039;t like that, tough noogies. This blog is not about evolution nor will I allow it to be co-opted into one because it interests you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you deleted my next one too. You are trash, no better than P.Z. Myers .</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> And I will continue to delete any posts on evolution you make, if you don&#8217;t like that, tough noogies. This blog is not about evolution nor will I allow it to be co-opted into one because it interests you.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I beg to differ. Evolution and global warming are intimately related. You are more interested in CONTROL than in the truth. You are no different than every other blogczar, insecure, protectionist and power crazed. That is why you deleted my comment. It did not conform with your bias. I recommend you replace it but that is entirely up to you. It is likely that you can&#039;t can&#039;t as you probably destroyed it in a fit of pique. That was a mistake and if so is one you will regret. I love to expose my adversaries with their own actions.

I love it so!

&quot;Mankind fiddles while earth burns...A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;...in a fit of pique&quot; You mean like your opening statement here where you called us all &quot;snotbags&quot;? 

You can believe whatever you like, but if you want to discuss evolution, do it on your own blog please. You clearly live for the fight, I&#039;m just not interested in discussing evolution here. You have your own blog, discuss it there. You seem to imply that I and others have to conform to your terms, I assure you sir that we do not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ. Evolution and global warming are intimately related. You are more interested in CONTROL than in the truth. You are no different than every other blogczar, insecure, protectionist and power crazed. That is why you deleted my comment. It did not conform with your bias. I recommend you replace it but that is entirely up to you. It is likely that you can&#8217;t can&#8217;t as you probably destroyed it in a fit of pique. That was a mistake and if so is one you will regret. I love to expose my adversaries with their own actions.</p>
<p>I love it so!</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind fiddles while earth burns&#8230;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> &#8220;&#8230;in a fit of pique&#8221; You mean like your opening statement here where you called us all &#8220;snotbags&#8221;? </p>
<p>You can believe whatever you like, but if you want to discuss evolution, do it on your own blog please. You clearly live for the fight, I&#8217;m just not interested in discussing evolution here. You have your own blog, discuss it there. You seem to imply that I and others have to conform to your terms, I assure you sir that we do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Davison--the Rev has got to sleep sometime. And he obviously has to moderate the queue.

I&#039;m sure we are more than welcome to discuss climate change in the appropriate threads no matter what side of the controversy one is on. I, for one, would be interested in what you have to say. (I suggest you repost the part with the GW stuff.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Davison&#8211;the Rev has got to sleep sometime. And he obviously has to moderate the queue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we are more than welcome to discuss climate change in the appropriate threads no matter what side of the controversy one is on. I, for one, would be interested in what you have to say. (I suggest you repost the part with the GW stuff.)</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All you have to do is to print the message which would have been #116 if you hadn&#039;t stopped it from ever appearing. Why don&#039;t you do just that and all will be forgiven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is to print the message which would have been #116 if you hadn&#8217;t stopped it from ever appearing. Why don&#8217;t you do just that and all will be forgiven.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for now shutting me down completely. In so doing you have joined with Pharyngula, Panda&#039;s Thumb, EvC, ARN, RichardDawkins.net, Uncommon Descent and a number of other weblogs that deal with dissenters exactly the same way. I just called attention to it on my Global Warming thread. Congratulations on having made my increasing list of &quot;blogbullies.&quot;

I love it so!

&quot;Mankind fiddles while earth burns......A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt;You aren&#039;t &quot;shut down&quot;. But you apparently didn&#039;t remember I said earlier no more talk about evolution here, since it is not the focus of this blog. But you persisted; your last post tried to tie evolution and global warming together. Thus, I choose not to post it.

It would be no different if you tried to regularly engage conversations on quilting or gardening. If you want to engage the topics we are discusssing, sans evolution, you are welcome to. If you want to talk evolution, you have your own blog for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for now shutting me down completely. In so doing you have joined with Pharyngula, Panda&#8217;s Thumb, EvC, ARN, RichardDawkins.net, Uncommon Descent and a number of other weblogs that deal with dissenters exactly the same way. I just called attention to it on my Global Warming thread. Congratulations on having made my increasing list of &#8220;blogbullies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love it so!</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind fiddles while earth burns&#8230;&#8230;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
<p><strong>REPLY: </strong>You aren&#8217;t &#8220;shut down&#8221;. But you apparently didn&#8217;t remember I said earlier no more talk about evolution here, since it is not the focus of this blog. But you persisted; your last post tried to tie evolution and global warming together. Thus, I choose not to post it.</p>
<p>It would be no different if you tried to regularly engage conversations on quilting or gardening. If you want to engage the topics we are discusssing, sans evolution, you are welcome to. If you want to talk evolution, you have your own blog for that.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for letting me respond to Evan Jones, and I hope he and others will visit my weblog. So far they avoid it like the plague which I take to be a good thing!

&quot;Mankind fiddles while earth burns...A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for letting me respond to Evan Jones, and I hope he and others will visit my weblog. So far they avoid it like the plague which I take to be a good thing!</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankind fiddles while earth burns&#8230;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Davison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan Jones

I mean that NO evolution HAPPENED gradually. I also mean what I say in my signature. I have published these views and consider them valid. To review those papers I recommend going to ISCID&#039;s &quot;brainstorms&quot; forum where you will find them all in the Archives along with commentary.

You are welome to participate on my weblog where I have a thread - EVOLUTION IS FINISHED - dedicated to exactly that proposition. 

The variations in your pigeons are due only to the relaxation of natural selection in urban environments. They are still all Colombo livia. In rural environments their phenotypes remain unchanged. Subspecies are not incipient species. They are more or less specalized evolutionary dead ends, doomed to ultimate extinction.

&quot;We might as well stop looking for the missing links as they never existed...The first bird hatched from a reptilian egg.&quot;
Otto Schindewolf

&quot;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable....
Mankind fiddles while earth burns.&quot;
John A. Davison

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Enough about evolution here. This blog deals mainly with climate, weather, and technology. Anyone who wants to discuss evolution, do it on Davison&#039;s blog please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Jones</p>
<p>I mean that NO evolution HAPPENED gradually. I also mean what I say in my signature. I have published these views and consider them valid. To review those papers I recommend going to ISCID&#8217;s &#8220;brainstorms&#8221; forum where you will find them all in the Archives along with commentary.</p>
<p>You are welome to participate on my weblog where I have a thread &#8211; EVOLUTION IS FINISHED &#8211; dedicated to exactly that proposition. </p>
<p>The variations in your pigeons are due only to the relaxation of natural selection in urban environments. They are still all Colombo livia. In rural environments their phenotypes remain unchanged. Subspecies are not incipient species. They are more or less specalized evolutionary dead ends, doomed to ultimate extinction.</p>
<p>&#8220;We might as well stop looking for the missing links as they never existed&#8230;The first bird hatched from a reptilian egg.&#8221;<br />
Otto Schindewolf</p>
<p>&#8220;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable&#8230;.<br />
Mankind fiddles while earth burns.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Enough about evolution here. This blog deals mainly with climate, weather, and technology. Anyone who wants to discuss evolution, do it on Davison&#8217;s blog please.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But I don&#039;t really see how that challenges my statement. I did not comment on how quickly a genus springs into being, merely that it has happened (somewhat) less than 2mya.

Or do you mean that NO evolution happens gradually? If you are saying that, I must disagree, and so do &quot;my pigeons&quot;, which have changed substantially during my lifetime). Either that or we disagree on the meaning of the term &quot;gradual&quot;. 

In the case of the pigeons, the environment changed:

1.) Cleanup of the air, massive sandblasting of buildings, resulting in a radical change of color of buildings (they used to be a ubiquitous gray--but no longer!)

2.) A heavy dose of predation. partly by hawks, but esp. by crows, both recent immingrants to NYC. Neither were a significant presence when i was growing up.

The considerable change in the pigeon population (size, robustness, and esp. coloration) has taken a mere dozen or so generations to manifest itself (on a subspecies level).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I don&#8217;t really see how that challenges my statement. I did not comment on how quickly a genus springs into being, merely that it has happened (somewhat) less than 2mya.</p>
<p>Or do you mean that NO evolution happens gradually? If you are saying that, I must disagree, and so do &#8220;my pigeons&#8221;, which have changed substantially during my lifetime). Either that or we disagree on the meaning of the term &#8220;gradual&#8221;. </p>
<p>In the case of the pigeons, the environment changed:</p>
<p>1.) Cleanup of the air, massive sandblasting of buildings, resulting in a radical change of color of buildings (they used to be a ubiquitous gray&#8211;but no longer!)</p>
<p>2.) A heavy dose of predation. partly by hawks, but esp. by crows, both recent immingrants to NYC. Neither were a significant presence when i was growing up.</p>
<p>The considerable change in the pigeon population (size, robustness, and esp. coloration) has taken a mere dozen or so generations to manifest itself (on a subspecies level).</p>
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