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		<title>By: former astronaut speaks out on global warming - Page 5 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/#comment-87147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[former astronaut speaks out on global warming - Page 5 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: former astronaut speaks out on global warming - Page 3 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/#comment-86722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[former astronaut speaks out on global warming - Page 3 - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/#comment-84265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, the â€˜oceanic conveyance beltâ€™ as you call it, will not stop, because it can not stop. It exists as a direct result of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, similar to the jet stream; it is a heat transfer mechanism between warmer and cooler latitudes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure it can stop, if the sun stops shining, or the Earth stops rotating on its axis. Of course if the continents suddenly shifted thousands of miles the current would change dramatically. Essentially the current configuration of continents keeps the THC the way it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Finally, the â€˜oceanic conveyance beltâ€™ as you call it, will not stop, because it can not stop. It exists as a direct result of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, similar to the jet stream; it is a heat transfer mechanism between warmer and cooler latitudes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure it can stop, if the sun stops shining, or the Earth stops rotating on its axis. Of course if the continents suddenly shifted thousands of miles the current would change dramatically. Essentially the current configuration of continents keeps the THC the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Ohioholic&lt;/b&gt;, you need an adiabatic chart, which will show you at exactly what atmospheric conditions precipitation will occur.

&lt;b&gt;Leo Z.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Donâ€™t you know that by going warmer, the iceberg melting will block the oceanic conveyance belt, which would freeze the north hemisphere, which was the cause of the ice ages?&lt;/blockquote&gt; Um... I don&#039;t know where you got that information, or if you just invented it, but it&#039;s all wrong.

So, time for some well-intended education:

Most polar and Greenland ice is far, far below zero degrees C. Total global warming over the past century has been about 0.6 degrees C [and that slight warming has been almost &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalpost.com/893554.bin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entirely reversed&lt;/a&gt;]. 

Therefore, even a couple of degrees of warming would not be nearly enough to raise the temperature of the polar ice sheets, or of Greenland, enough to begin melting the ice on a massive scale. Besides, the globe is currently cooling, not warming, so there&#039;s nothing to get alarmed about.

Finally, the &#039;oceanic conveyance belt&#039; as you call it, will not stop, because it can not stop. It exists as a direct result of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, similar to the jet stream; it is a heat transfer mechanism between warmer and cooler latitudes.

Don&#039;t be frightened, Leo. That&#039;s what Al Gore wants. He makes his $millions by trying to scare people. Only the rubes fall for it. Don&#039;t be a rube.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ohioholic</b>, you need an adiabatic chart, which will show you at exactly what atmospheric conditions precipitation will occur.</p>
<p><b>Leo Z.</b><br />
<blockquote>Donâ€™t you know that by going warmer, the iceberg melting will block the oceanic conveyance belt, which would freeze the north hemisphere, which was the cause of the ice ages?</p></blockquote>
<p> Um&#8230; I don&#8217;t know where you got that information, or if you just invented it, but it&#8217;s all wrong.</p>
<p>So, time for some well-intended education:</p>
<p>Most polar and Greenland ice is far, far below zero degrees C. Total global warming over the past century has been about 0.6 degrees C [and that slight warming has been almost <a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/893554.bin" rel="nofollow">entirely reversed</a>]. </p>
<p>Therefore, even a couple of degrees of warming would not be nearly enough to raise the temperature of the polar ice sheets, or of Greenland, enough to begin melting the ice on a massive scale. Besides, the globe is currently cooling, not warming, so there&#8217;s nothing to get alarmed about.</p>
<p>Finally, the &#8216;oceanic conveyance belt&#8217; as you call it, will not stop, because it can not stop. It exists as a direct result of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, similar to the jet stream; it is a heat transfer mechanism between warmer and cooler latitudes.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be frightened, Leo. That&#8217;s what Al Gore wants. He makes his $millions by trying to scare people. Only the rubes fall for it. Don&#8217;t be a rube.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Z.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/#comment-84225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leo Z.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Warm is better. So pray that our planet gets more warm, and less cold (unless you fear a return of Norsemen, say)â€¦&quot;

Don&#039;t you know that by going warmer, the iceberg melting will block the oceanic conveyance belt, which would freeze the north hemisphere, which was the cause of the ice ages? 

Learn your sciences well before come here and waste everybody&#039;s time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Warm is better. So pray that our planet gets more warm, and less cold (unless you fear a return of Norsemen, say)â€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you know that by going warmer, the iceberg melting will block the oceanic conveyance belt, which would freeze the north hemisphere, which was the cause of the ice ages? </p>
<p>Learn your sciences well before come here and waste everybody&#8217;s time!</p>
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		<title>By: Ohioholic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ohioholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am just wondering, what happens to the water vapor? We can only cram so much into the atmosphere before it falls back down again or does it have to reach a certain altitude to create precipitation? 

I believe it is the latter, only because cooler temps would condense it back into water, yes? Does warming that has to happen to create increases in water vapor have to reduce precipitation? 

This, as I understand it (admittedly not all that much) would suggest a warming in the upper levels of the atmosphere that goes down. How would CO2 facilitation of increases in water vapor affect precipitation? Also, if GW has nothing to do with hurricane cycles, how would we expect it to cause desertification?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just wondering, what happens to the water vapor? We can only cram so much into the atmosphere before it falls back down again or does it have to reach a certain altitude to create precipitation? </p>
<p>I believe it is the latter, only because cooler temps would condense it back into water, yes? Does warming that has to happen to create increases in water vapor have to reduce precipitation? </p>
<p>This, as I understand it (admittedly not all that much) would suggest a warming in the upper levels of the atmosphere that goes down. How would CO2 facilitation of increases in water vapor affect precipitation? Also, if GW has nothing to do with hurricane cycles, how would we expect it to cause desertification?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Garot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Garot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s cold.  Then it&#039;s warm.  Then it&#039;s cold. This is the history of the Earth over the past week, month, year, decade, century, millennium, or billion years.

Cold has always been worse for Humanity than warm.  Cold wipes out entire civilizations, crushes 40%-50% of the arable land under glaciers, gives whole continents the flu.  Warm causes comparatively few deaths, makes more land arable than is lost to desertification, and activates a few viruses that have lain dormant.

Darwin had the reason that the Norse, Gaels, Picts and Germanic tribes grew taller and stronger than other Europeans.  These folk were bred to survive in the cold; but so many of them died in that cold, they rarely had sufficient numbers to conquer.  The Norse&#039;s biggest moment in the Sun (pun intended) was in the 800s to 1000s A.D. -- when Greenland was Green, the world warmer -- and the Norse had the numbers to lay waste to Western Europe.

Warm is better.  So pray that our planet gets more warm, and less cold  (unless you fear a return of Norsemen, say)...

Warmest Regards,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s cold.  Then it&#8217;s warm.  Then it&#8217;s cold. This is the history of the Earth over the past week, month, year, decade, century, millennium, or billion years.</p>
<p>Cold has always been worse for Humanity than warm.  Cold wipes out entire civilizations, crushes 40%-50% of the arable land under glaciers, gives whole continents the flu.  Warm causes comparatively few deaths, makes more land arable than is lost to desertification, and activates a few viruses that have lain dormant.</p>
<p>Darwin had the reason that the Norse, Gaels, Picts and Germanic tribes grew taller and stronger than other Europeans.  These folk were bred to survive in the cold; but so many of them died in that cold, they rarely had sufficient numbers to conquer.  The Norse&#8217;s biggest moment in the Sun (pun intended) was in the 800s to 1000s A.D. &#8212; when Greenland was Green, the world warmer &#8212; and the Norse had the numbers to lay waste to Western Europe.</p>
<p>Warm is better.  So pray that our planet gets more warm, and less cold  (unless you fear a return of Norsemen, say)&#8230;</p>
<p>Warmest Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: ------ THE SKY IS FALLING ------ - Page 435 - The Environment Site Forums</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Al's Friend</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al's Friend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we do not realize is that the global cooling is the result of Greenhouse gasses.  C02 causes the heat from the sun to be reflected leaving a Global heat deficit.  We have not adjusted the historical numbers yet.  But when we go back and raise the numbers from years back we will be able to show a longer trend downward proving that indeed we have massive man made global cooling.  You must understand that we need to reduce the C02 emmisions using the most effective means possible.  So we still recommend that we sell carbon credits.  You see we have been buying them up and need to still sell these credits.  Additionally we want to impose a ban on lawn watering as humidity has a much greater affect on global temperatures.  Just because we now have a cooling trend does not mean we were wrong!  We are still affecting the environment and we need to do something about it and we know exactly what to do.  The price of my credits should be doubled because the double trend first positive then now negative (after we adjust historical figures back up) shows that humans are having twice the affect on the numbers.

Can&#039;t we all agree that this is a crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we do not realize is that the global cooling is the result of Greenhouse gasses.  C02 causes the heat from the sun to be reflected leaving a Global heat deficit.  We have not adjusted the historical numbers yet.  But when we go back and raise the numbers from years back we will be able to show a longer trend downward proving that indeed we have massive man made global cooling.  You must understand that we need to reduce the C02 emmisions using the most effective means possible.  So we still recommend that we sell carbon credits.  You see we have been buying them up and need to still sell these credits.  Additionally we want to impose a ban on lawn watering as humidity has a much greater affect on global temperatures.  Just because we now have a cooling trend does not mean we were wrong!  We are still affecting the environment and we need to do something about it and we know exactly what to do.  The price of my credits should be doubled because the double trend first positive then now negative (after we adjust historical figures back up) shows that humans are having twice the affect on the numbers.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we all agree that this is a crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holsen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Holsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do not get caught up in numbers and graphs. This is about graft not graphs. In effect the act of taking advantage of one&#039; position as trusted or believable in order to make economic gain, profit or gain a  power advantage over competition. Of course the trend I show on thermcoat dot com is typical of a house with the same furnace which is lived in by the same people with no structural alterations. It was originally intended to show deterioration of insulation but since 2008 was a dry year and the house was built in 1965, old enough to already have had its degradation you would think, the graph does show that since that so called reference period used by international experts has expired, the opposite trend has prevaild. We are solidly in global coolng.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not get caught up in numbers and graphs. This is about graft not graphs. In effect the act of taking advantage of one&#8217; position as trusted or believable in order to make economic gain, profit or gain a  power advantage over competition. Of course the trend I show on thermcoat dot com is typical of a house with the same furnace which is lived in by the same people with no structural alterations. It was originally intended to show deterioration of insulation but since 2008 was a dry year and the house was built in 1965, old enough to already have had its degradation you would think, the graph does show that since that so called reference period used by international experts has expired, the opposite trend has prevaild. We are solidly in global coolng.</p>
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		<title>By: White Civil Rights &#187; Liberals Want Global Warming &#8220;Carbon Taxes&#8221; as Temperature Drops</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Liberals Want Global Warming &#8220;Carbon Taxes&#8221; as Temperature Drops &#124; Altermedia news U.S.A.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EU's new figurehead believes climate change is a myth - Page 2 - Trackpads Community</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EU's new figurehead believes climate change is a myth - Page 2 - Trackpads Community]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] EU&#039;s new figurehead believes climate change is a myth   January 2008 - 4 sources say &#8220;globally cooler&#8221; in the past 12 months Watts Up With That?   And a &quot;global&quot; increase of 0.06 celsius is no match for an increase of 0.6 in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: readuppeople</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also find that it is funny that they start the data they want to use, following the last cooling period.  In the 70&#039;s there was a global cooling scare.  We have actually been having global warming for about 18,000 years. The warmest years were about 1,000 years ago.  CO2 is a very weak green house gas and our part in it is so unimportant that it is in the margin of error, so doesnt matter at all in the big picture.
Nature is in control get used to it, and hope we dont have another mini ice age, i vote for warmer not cooler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find that it is funny that they start the data they want to use, following the last cooling period.  In the 70&#8242;s there was a global cooling scare.  We have actually been having global warming for about 18,000 years. The warmest years were about 1,000 years ago.  CO2 is a very weak green house gas and our part in it is so unimportant that it is in the margin of error, so doesnt matter at all in the big picture.<br />
Nature is in control get used to it, and hope we dont have another mini ice age, i vote for warmer not cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: readuppeople</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[readuppeople]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please read more than just the headlines dig a little deeper and see that the warming of the 90s and no warming since 1998 was tied to the solar activity, which was the lowest since 1900 this past year.  Man made CO2 is less than 2% of all the CO2 in the atmosphere, so changing it by any amount would mean nothing and the fact that man made CO2 only accounts for about .117% of the green house effect.  Also that historically increases in CO2 follow warming and donâ€™t precede it, and that there is no true correlation to increase of CO2 and increase in temperatures.  The global warming climate models have proved themselves totally flawed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read more than just the headlines dig a little deeper and see that the warming of the 90s and no warming since 1998 was tied to the solar activity, which was the lowest since 1900 this past year.  Man made CO2 is less than 2% of all the CO2 in the atmosphere, so changing it by any amount would mean nothing and the fact that man made CO2 only accounts for about .117% of the green house effect.  Also that historically increases in CO2 follow warming and donâ€™t precede it, and that there is no true correlation to increase of CO2 and increase in temperatures.  The global warming climate models have proved themselves totally flawed!</p>
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