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		<title>By: &#8220;The hardest part is trying to influence the nature of the measurements obtained&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-76987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;The hardest part is trying to influence the nature of the measurements obtained&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hand, with a plethora of issues with GISS data, including adjustments to pristine data, failing to catch obviously corrupted data, significant errors in splicing and reporting pointed out by bloggers, and pronouncements from the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-44236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some inacuracies noticed in your assesment of the photographs. the first photograph shows the Ace parkinglot, not the second, the station is NOT between two buildings it is about 15 feet from the radio station whos property it is on. it is about 15 feet from the road and the parking lot in the second photo is the parkinglot of a now closed coffee shack. the &quot;coffee table and bench&quot; is an old bed frame. I am not sure of how this info is worked out to get the average mean tempurature. but to give an idea of normals in the area. 99-105 in summer durring day time lows of high 80&#039;s. spring and fall are around mid 60&#039;s lows to highs in the high 80&#039;s &quot;winter&quot; from low 30&#039;s to 60&#039;s just some info that may be helpfull to your deciding the accuracy of this station.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some inacuracies noticed in your assesment of the photographs. the first photograph shows the Ace parkinglot, not the second, the station is NOT between two buildings it is about 15 feet from the radio station whos property it is on. it is about 15 feet from the road and the parking lot in the second photo is the parkinglot of a now closed coffee shack. the &#8220;coffee table and bench&#8221; is an old bed frame. I am not sure of how this info is worked out to get the average mean tempurature. but to give an idea of normals in the area. 99-105 in summer durring day time lows of high 80&#8242;s. spring and fall are around mid 60&#8242;s lows to highs in the high 80&#8242;s &#8220;winter&#8221; from low 30&#8242;s to 60&#8242;s just some info that may be helpfull to your deciding the accuracy of this station.</p>
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		<title>By: Dishonest Temperature Data? &#171; An Honest Climate Debate</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-39601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dishonest Temperature Data? &#171; An Honest Climate Debate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] found examples where the algorithms have failed to even find sudden changes due to station moves like Lampasas TX). So it appears NCDC has taken a giant step backwards in trying to provide accurate climate change [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found examples where the algorithms have failed to even find sudden changes due to station moves like Lampasas TX). So it appears NCDC has taken a giant step backwards in trying to provide accurate climate change [...]</p>
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		<title>By: USHCN Version 2 - prelims, expectations, and tests &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-14500</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[USHCN Version 2 - prelims, expectations, and tests &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] up as a false trend in data. In some cases, such moves are easy to spot in the data, such as the USHCN station in Lampasas, TX that got moved from an observer&#8217;s back yard to a location 30 feet from the main highway [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up as a false trend in data. In some cases, such moves are easy to spot in the data, such as the USHCN station in Lampasas, TX that got moved from an observer&#8217;s back yard to a location 30 feet from the main highway [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Ryan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-12140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great sluething fellas.

I would dearly love to identify a conspiracy here, but I have already poked around meteorology science on the ground in Australia and my conclusion has been that politicians underfund; bureaucrats have departmental and not science priorities; and most scientists are thick as bricks.

An example of the latter... In virtually every damaging cyclone that hits Australia, the wind speed (WS) equipment is destroyed by flying debris. I publicly challenged meteorologists to move their equipment to immediate beach high points, to avoid damage and they simply defended current locations. The result is, official WS measurements are whatever was recorded at the point of destruction. Go figure.

I argued that photographic evidence showed that Cyclone Tracey of Darwin, 1974, showed every leaf, twig and branch stripped off what trees remained standing, and that exposed cars were sandblasted to clean steel, indicating at least 300 KPH wind speed (as every sandblaster is aware). Yet, this irrefutable comparative evidence of wind impact was not evident in other cyclones that scientists claimed had higher wind speeds.

This has horrific implications for public safety, architecture, storm surge and insurance; yet scientists refuse to confront the evidence that commonsense renders apparent.

In terms of anthropogenic global warming I suspect that, likewise, refusal to acknowledge the impact of urbanisation of formerly rural weather stations has distorted measurements, and that banker/corporate conglomerates are exploiting the situation to garner the $3 trillion per year &#039;carbon tax&#039; and further impoverish we mugs.

&#039;How not to measure&#039; frontiersmen and women are incisively penetrating the fraud and I believe deserve a vote of thanks from all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great sluething fellas.</p>
<p>I would dearly love to identify a conspiracy here, but I have already poked around meteorology science on the ground in Australia and my conclusion has been that politicians underfund; bureaucrats have departmental and not science priorities; and most scientists are thick as bricks.</p>
<p>An example of the latter&#8230; In virtually every damaging cyclone that hits Australia, the wind speed (WS) equipment is destroyed by flying debris. I publicly challenged meteorologists to move their equipment to immediate beach high points, to avoid damage and they simply defended current locations. The result is, official WS measurements are whatever was recorded at the point of destruction. Go figure.</p>
<p>I argued that photographic evidence showed that Cyclone Tracey of Darwin, 1974, showed every leaf, twig and branch stripped off what trees remained standing, and that exposed cars were sandblasted to clean steel, indicating at least 300 KPH wind speed (as every sandblaster is aware). Yet, this irrefutable comparative evidence of wind impact was not evident in other cyclones that scientists claimed had higher wind speeds.</p>
<p>This has horrific implications for public safety, architecture, storm surge and insurance; yet scientists refuse to confront the evidence that commonsense renders apparent.</p>
<p>In terms of anthropogenic global warming I suspect that, likewise, refusal to acknowledge the impact of urbanisation of formerly rural weather stations has distorted measurements, and that banker/corporate conglomerates are exploiting the situation to garner the $3 trillion per year &#8216;carbon tax&#8217; and further impoverish we mugs.</p>
<p>&#8216;How not to measure&#8217; frontiersmen and women are incisively penetrating the fraud and I believe deserve a vote of thanks from all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: mhmoran</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-7246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mhmoran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Based on this comment &#039;I have sincere doubts that anyone can create an adjustment that will ascertain an accurate trend from temperature data as badly polluted as this.&#039; If a new station were installed properly and data was collected for several years, maybe more, and the old station was also left active for comparison.  Could a correlation be made that could be used to correct the polluted data?

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; for the period that the station existed at this location, most likely yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on this comment &#8216;I have sincere doubts that anyone can create an adjustment that will ascertain an accurate trend from temperature data as badly polluted as this.&#8217; If a new station were installed properly and data was collected for several years, maybe more, and the old station was also left active for comparison.  Could a correlation be made that could be used to correct the polluted data?</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> for the period that the station existed at this location, most likely yes.</p>
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		<title>By: primson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[primson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Banner Engineering and TURCK has some interesting temperature measuring sensors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banner Engineering and TURCK has some interesting temperature measuring sensors.</p>
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		<title>By: George M</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-6368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After following this discussion for days, it finally struck me, Julie KS, where is the rain gauge?  Aren&#039;t all these stations supposed to include a rain gauge?  I&#039;ve forgotten what you said in the original post, but did you speak to someone at the radio station about the siting of the instruments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After following this discussion for days, it finally struck me, Julie KS, where is the rain gauge?  Aren&#8217;t all these stations supposed to include a rain gauge?  I&#8217;ve forgotten what you said in the original post, but did you speak to someone at the radio station about the siting of the instruments?</p>
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		<title>By: TalkClimateChange - &#187; How Warm Is It Really?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TalkClimateChange - &#187; How Warm Is It Really?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as a result of human activities, right? Well, maybe not. Maybe the world is not warming at all? Anthony Watt, a former meteorologist uncovers an important issue with the way in which temperatures are actually [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as a result of human activities, right? Well, maybe not. Maybe the world is not warming at all? Anthony Watt, a former meteorologist uncovers an important issue with the way in which temperatures are actually [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-6305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Bill&lt;/strong&gt;

I think your mother would be proud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bill</strong></p>
<p>I think your mother would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Needham</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-5880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Needham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary,

I thoroughly enjoyed Professor Kaufman&#039;s essay that you linked to.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>I thoroughly enjoyed Professor Kaufman&#8217;s essay that you linked to.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-5879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be very interested to see a survey of the &quot;showcase&quot; NCDC station at Asheville, NC, since it is being used as a benchmark to calculate UHI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very interested to see a survey of the &#8220;showcase&#8221; NCDC station at Asheville, NC, since it is being used as a benchmark to calculate UHI.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-5873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, 

Since this seems to be a bellwether post on the SurfaceStation project could you be induced to begin planning another--to examine CDIAC and their seeming monopoly on CO2 measurement?  Beginning with their Siemen&#039;s black box and monitoring station placements they appear to have issues as well.

http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/ccr.pdf

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m one man doing this part time with volunteers, while I have a this blog,  business to run, a daily radio forecast, a wife and two young children that need my attention. I appreciate the faith in my ability, but I&#039;m not a superhero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, </p>
<p>Since this seems to be a bellwether post on the SurfaceStation project could you be induced to begin planning another&#8211;to examine CDIAC and their seeming monopoly on CO2 measurement?  Beginning with their Siemen&#8217;s black box and monitoring station placements they appear to have issues as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/ccr.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/ccr.pdf</a></p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I&#8217;m one man doing this part time with volunteers, while I have a this blog,  business to run, a daily radio forecast, a wife and two young children that need my attention. I appreciate the faith in my ability, but I&#8217;m not a superhero.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/14/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-51/#comment-5853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steven mosher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atmoz,

 Thanks for being a good sport. There are all sorts of quirky issues between
GHCN, USHCN, and GISS. So have some fun comparing the data. I thought it would be a fun test of sorts. Let the chips fall where they may. 

Other thing I wanted to ask was whether you used USHCNv2 or v1?

Also, note that since Anthony Posts his data in an open forum people can check it and find mistakes.

I also posted on post on Lucia ( google &quot;lucia rank exploits)

Watch her tear the fur off the bunnyman eli rabbet.

Here is a challenge for atmoz or others. see if Eli will allow a
link to lucia schooling him in physics.


http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/spatial-variations-in-gmst-eli-rabbett-vs-dr-pielke-sr/

She has an interesting piece ATMOZ . She&#039;s wicked smart so you might enjoy the conversation, Eli will not.

anthony,  have you thought of putting  Lucia  blog roll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atmoz,</p>
<p> Thanks for being a good sport. There are all sorts of quirky issues between<br />
GHCN, USHCN, and GISS. So have some fun comparing the data. I thought it would be a fun test of sorts. Let the chips fall where they may. </p>
<p>Other thing I wanted to ask was whether you used USHCNv2 or v1?</p>
<p>Also, note that since Anthony Posts his data in an open forum people can check it and find mistakes.</p>
<p>I also posted on post on Lucia ( google &#8220;lucia rank exploits)</p>
<p>Watch her tear the fur off the bunnyman eli rabbet.</p>
<p>Here is a challenge for atmoz or others. see if Eli will allow a<br />
link to lucia schooling him in physics.</p>
<p><a href="http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/spatial-variations-in-gmst-eli-rabbett-vs-dr-pielke-sr/" rel="nofollow">http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/spatial-variations-in-gmst-eli-rabbett-vs-dr-pielke-sr/</a></p>
<p>She has an interesting piece ATMOZ . She&#8217;s wicked smart so you might enjoy the conversation, Eli will not.</p>
<p>anthony,  have you thought of putting  Lucia  blog roll.</p>
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		<title>By: Atmoz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Atmoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven,

Sorry your post got lost in the moderation queue. It&#039;s visible now. Thanks for the comment, and I&#039;ll be doing a post later today as you suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>Sorry your post got lost in the moderation queue. It&#8217;s visible now. Thanks for the comment, and I&#8217;ll be doing a post later today as you suggest.</p>
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