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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/30/snow-in-riyadh-saudi-arabia/#comment-80604</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its freezing record in China, USA, Canada, Alaska, Europe, Saudi Arabia and who knows in how many other places on this planet not mentioned by the international &#039;news&#039; media. Or should i say false news media?

Is this anthropogenic global warming? my logic and my thermometer tell me its global cooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its freezing record in China, USA, Canada, Alaska, Europe, Saudi Arabia and who knows in how many other places on this planet not mentioned by the international &#8216;news&#8217; media. Or should i say false news media?</p>
<p>Is this anthropogenic global warming? my logic and my thermometer tell me its global cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: N D Hibberd</title>
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		<dc:creator>N D Hibberd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: The flow has reduced by 30% since 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: The flow has reduced by 30% since 1992.</p>
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		<title>By: N D Hibberd</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/30/snow-in-riyadh-saudi-arabia/#comment-6945</link>
		<dc:creator>N D Hibberd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t any of you see &quot;the day after tomorrow&quot; and the effects of reduced flow in the North Atlantic Current? Since the movie the NAC has reduced by 13% ( If I  remember correctly). This means reduced warm water reaching the northern hemisphere and therefore colder conditions - hence global warming = colder northern regions. Research in New Guinea on isotopic ratios of Oxygen in Giant clam shells shows that the NAC had shut down during the Younger dryas (11000 years ago) and stayed that way for over 1000 yrs. The time frame for the shut down to occur was only a couple of decades. My house is only a couple of metres above sealevel. Am I worried?...No. Moving? ...No! But then again I&#039;m in Southern Oz so the NAC is an awful long way away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t any of you see &#8220;the day after tomorrow&#8221; and the effects of reduced flow in the North Atlantic Current? Since the movie the NAC has reduced by 13% ( If I  remember correctly). This means reduced warm water reaching the northern hemisphere and therefore colder conditions &#8211; hence global warming = colder northern regions. Research in New Guinea on isotopic ratios of Oxygen in Giant clam shells shows that the NAC had shut down during the Younger dryas (11000 years ago) and stayed that way for over 1000 yrs. The time frame for the shut down to occur was only a couple of decades. My house is only a couple of metres above sealevel. Am I worried?&#8230;No. Moving? &#8230;No! But then again I&#8217;m in Southern Oz so the NAC is an awful long way away.</p>
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		<title>By: E B Hilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>E B Hilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very strange that &#039;scientists&#039; writing about GW never mention the most common greenhouse gas. Water vapor is about 95% of greenhouse gases. CO2 is less than 4%.

I think your comments on scientists are GREAT!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very strange that &#8217;scientists&#8217; writing about GW never mention the most common greenhouse gas. Water vapor is about 95% of greenhouse gases. CO2 is less than 4%.</p>
<p>I think your comments on scientists are GREAT!!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly. 

Everything = Global Warming

In the history biz we call that one &quot;Hypostatized Proof&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly. </p>
<p>Everything = Global Warming</p>
<p>In the history biz we call that one &#8220;Hypostatized Proof&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news today was about a big snowfall in southern China. The report said it destroyed crops in an area of 3000 square miles. More global warming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news today was about a big snowfall in southern China. The report said it destroyed crops in an area of 3000 square miles. More global warming?</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Great post, but lest we get too excited&quot;

No reason to get excited, this is clearly a Global Warming phenomena.
If Liberal (UK defination) now means Socialist, then warm can mean cold. Therefor snow in the middle east is clearly Global (localised) Warming (Cooling) event.
Q.E.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Great post, but lest we get too excited&#8221;</p>
<p>No reason to get excited, this is clearly a Global Warming phenomena.<br />
If Liberal (UK defination) now means Socialist, then warm can mean cold. Therefor snow in the middle east is clearly Global (localised) Warming (Cooling) event.<br />
Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: steven mosher</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven mosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Audit this jan. Check the station records against the local meterology
and the other climate systems ( like agriculture )

For example, check chico NOAA records againt every other piece of chico data
you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audit this jan. Check the station records against the local meterology<br />
and the other climate systems ( like agriculture )</p>
<p>For example, check chico NOAA records againt every other piece of chico data<br />
you can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike From Canmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike From Canmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David&#039;s point.  The British Columbia premier the other day pointed to the frozen Nechako River near Prince George as evidence of AGW.   I&#039;m open to explanations as to how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David&#8217;s point.  The British Columbia premier the other day pointed to the frozen Nechako River near Prince George as evidence of AGW.   I&#8217;m open to explanations as to how.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Snow, cold, in Saudi Arabia: &#8220;worst in 30 years&#8221; [image] I would have to imagine some of the residents near Riyadh are commenting like our lion friend from Oz above. [&#8230;] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Snow, cold, in Saudi Arabia: &#8220;worst in 30 years&#8221; [image] I would have to imagine some of the residents near Riyadh are commenting like our lion friend from Oz above. [&#8230;] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Gary Gulrud (08:54:21) : Great post, but lest we get too excited … ‘Weather does not equal Climate’

Nonsense, get your facts straight.

Whenever weather trends support global warming they are used to as examples of a how the warming climate is (or &quot;may be&quot;) affecting weather patterns.  Granted, such statements are often couched using safe, deniable escape wording like &quot;may be&quot;, but the thrust is quite clear and repeated ad nauseum.

Conversely, whenever weather patterns do not support global warming then they are said to have no significance and such statements are always couched uses weasel worded language and caveats similar to &quot;weather does not equal climate&quot;.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt;Nice to have you back David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Gary Gulrud (08:54:21) : Great post, but lest we get too excited … ‘Weather does not equal Climate’</p>
<p>Nonsense, get your facts straight.</p>
<p>Whenever weather trends support global warming they are used to as examples of a how the warming climate is (or &#8220;may be&#8221;) affecting weather patterns.  Granted, such statements are often couched using safe, deniable escape wording like &#8220;may be&#8221;, but the thrust is quite clear and repeated ad nauseum.</p>
<p>Conversely, whenever weather patterns do not support global warming then they are said to have no significance and such statements are always couched uses weasel worded language and caveats similar to &#8220;weather does not equal climate&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY: </strong>Nice to have you back David.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Arndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Don&#039;t forget about Israel and Arab men in their robes having snowball fights. LOL I nearly fell over when I read that.</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t forget about Israel and Arab men in their robes having snowball fights. LOL I nearly fell over when I read that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff in Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I thought the definition of climate as used by NASA and the IPCC was weather over time. So if that&#039;s correct, weather does equal climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I thought the definition of climate as used by NASA and the IPCC was weather over time. So if that&#8217;s correct, weather does equal climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. So far this month we’ve had snow in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabi, Hawaii, and parts of China where plam trees grow and air temps in Siberia nearly -80F. According to GISS, that should make it only the 4th warmest January ever. Right?

Fergedaboudit, man.

They don&#039;t GOT no weather stations in THEM places! Ain&#039;t you never heard of &quot;gridding&quot;? They can FIX that easy. 

Now jus&#039; don&#039;t you worry none. Doc Jim an&#039; the boyz&#039;ll have the ol&#039; GW up and running again in no time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. So far this month we’ve had snow in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabi, Hawaii, and parts of China where plam trees grow and air temps in Siberia nearly -80F. According to GISS, that should make it only the 4th warmest January ever. Right?</p>
<p>Fergedaboudit, man.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t GOT no weather stations in THEM places! Ain&#8217;t you never heard of &#8220;gridding&#8221;? They can FIX that easy. </p>
<p>Now jus&#8217; don&#8217;t you worry none. Doc Jim an&#8217; the boyz&#8217;ll have the ol&#8217; GW up and running again in no time!</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Great post, but lest we get too excited … ‘Weather does not equal Climate’&quot;

All kidding aside, I think the weather the last 6 month prove beyond doubt how influential the oceans are on the climate system.  It is not a coincidence that these events are occuring during a decent La Nina eposide.  The oceans are likely the most influential variable in the climate system, followed closely by the sun, with CO2 a very, very distant 3rd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Great post, but lest we get too excited … ‘Weather does not equal Climate’&#8221;</p>
<p>All kidding aside, I think the weather the last 6 month prove beyond doubt how influential the oceans are on the climate system.  It is not a coincidence that these events are occuring during a decent La Nina eposide.  The oceans are likely the most influential variable in the climate system, followed closely by the sun, with CO2 a very, very distant 3rd.</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, forgot about the snow in South America in the middle of summer too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, forgot about the snow in South America in the middle of summer too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  So far this month we&#039;ve had snow in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabi, Hawaii, and parts of China where plam trees grow and air temps in Siberia nearly -80F.  According to GISS, that should make it only the 4th warmest January ever.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  So far this month we&#8217;ve had snow in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabi, Hawaii, and parts of China where plam trees grow and air temps in Siberia nearly -80F.  According to GISS, that should make it only the 4th warmest January ever.  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, but lest we get too excited ... &#039;Weather does not equal Climate&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, but lest we get too excited &#8230; &#8216;Weather does not equal Climate&#8217;</p>
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