Does the irony of this whole thread strike a note with you? Problem of scientific equipment for measuring temperature too close to human habitat!

Did your high school teachers or maybe even your parents inform you that we’re felling forests, destroying whole eco-systems, erasing indigenous cultures (oh, but who cares), polluting waterways and therefore the world food chain as we seek and destroy in the name of modernity. No? You didn’t learn that? Yes indeed modernity does have a very bad press agent.

And man’s past makes nasty reading. (Modernity has a very bad press agent.)

Wonderful, there is a very human side to you … and humorous too!

Resources are vitually unlimited. We will never, ever run short of any major resource. The belief in dwindling resources was thoroughly and decicively put paid two decades ago. (Even the expendable stuff like oil. We had 3.4 tbs known world reserve of oil in 1975. Today, after all our use, we have 6.5 tbs–and growing.)

From what I can gather man was infinitely more sinful, savage, destructive, damaging, violent, hateful, and unhappy a century ago than today. The Seven Deadly Sins rode high. A man would stake his life on a duel at the drop of a hat.

Modernity has not been a smooth ride, not has it come without cost. But on the whole we are far, far better off for it, and we are far, far better people for it.

And I think we had a far closer brush with “universal Armageddon” when Ghengis Kahn hammered the tribes together than anything we’ve seen since–even including WWII. I think I prefer the Pax Americana and worldwide affluence to the 19th century alternatives.

If the state of modern morality gives you concern, I suggest reading, oh, say The Great Train Robbery, by Michael Crichton. Not only would you find it an eye-opener, but a fascinating, ripping read.

I implore you to consider how good you have it and how bright the world’s prospects are. We will live long and well and become wise and powerful. We will continue to remake our world and nine out of tn of those changes will be for the better.

I do, however, confess a slight disappointment in the space race. Where’s my Moon base? Where’s my Mars outpost? Where’s my space-bubble factory?

Hey! wouldn’t that create a spurious inflation of precip measure directly proportional to the indreased area of the tilt? Or would the “overhang factor” mitigate or even overwhelm this?

It’s important. If temps are already below 0C, precip is a main driver of ice accumulation.

http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/ClimTrends/Change/7707Change.html

Paul

You may wish to join us in praying for these wilfully deluded fraudsters.

Wow! That’s got to be the biggest oxymoron I have ever heard!

Maybe you’ve got this information somewhere – was the MMTS shipped with a particular length of cable (had a MCL – minimum cutting length), or did they just rely on personal siting.

Someone had to have made up the ends of the cables, and dug the trench to a specific depth (frost line, etc). Direct bury of cable might also affect the readings, depending on type of cable used (especially in extreme temps).

Here, I have some expertise – I was Team Chief for a USAF installation team (E&I), and we had preinstallation surveys and plans to follow for all installations. If these weather sites were installed by govt teams, the same would apply.

If the COOP operator got the kit, there still had to be SOME “how to install” diagrams (height, location, cable depth, etc) that came with the kit.

This goes beyond the operator, and comes back to the installation team. Does anyone know someone who actually installed one of these things?

I don’t think that cable runs have been checked as a possible bias. What kind of cable is used?

REPLY: The spec is for silver coated copper cable, spec says max length 1/4 mile, given negligible resistance of shorter cable lengths compared to resistance of thermistor (10kohms or higher), doubtful there’s a bias. They do have a remote calibration check plug to ferret that out after install and when MMTS is checked later.