Comments on: How not to measure temperature, part 47 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/ The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Tue, 29 May 2012 12:26:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: christallbleedingmighty http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4659 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:42:00 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4659 wow

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4483 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:11:51 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4483 “My question: what auditing has been done or could be done of GISS methods to convert observed data to a single number?” (etc.)

Holy canole!

Tell him the story of “Free the Code”, Rev!

(Pull up a chair, An, baby, you’re gonna enjoy this . . .)

REPLY: see part 48, just posted, first.

]]> By: An Inquirer http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4446 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:04:26 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4446 Certainly the GISS prcedures and results continue to raise questions. Also, when one calculates his own data to verify whether his model forecasts matches observed — or calculated — data, then red flags should be raised in the media, in Congress which funds the efforts, and even the head boss at NASA. My question: what auditing has been done or could be done of GISS methods to convert observed data to a single number? I have read Hansen’s documentation offered at RealClimate, and that is far from satisfactory. Has somebody gotten a hold of the algorithm used in the conversion process? Is this algorithm stable from year to year? Could the algorithm be consistent year-after-year and be flexible enough to handle variable number of reporting stations and other parameters that change year by year? Are the results reproducible?

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4435 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:57:06 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4435 ahem, surprised if a lot of waste heat came off of that house during the winter.

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4434 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:56:11 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4434 Actually, it’s still a warming bias in the winter, even without the waste heat. The dang things are dandy heat sinks. Of course the house itself is a killer in that regard. One wouldn’t be a bit

]]> By: james melocco http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4412 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:55:29 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4412 A/C units would impose a warming bias in summer,but wouldn’t they also impose a cooling bias in winter? If the A/C was used more in winter than summer, the averall bias would be cooler.
The point being, we can’t be sure even of the direction of the bias, let alone the magnitude. How can a NASA algorithym possibly correct for this bias.

]]> By: Robert Coté http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4376 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:30:00 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4376 Comment: Hansen has got to feel like this is slow torture.

Watts reply: Maybe so, but the goal is not torture, but truth.

That the truth is the goal is why it is such torture.

Q: Which way is north?

A: To the left in both pictures. see this Google Earth image

http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=33476

]]> By: Andrew http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4366 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:41:59 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4366 Bill, Firefox has built in spell check, if I might recommend another browser. ;)

Actually, Evan, I think I see a street light waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy over to the right in the back.

Perhaps we should make it a rule: no moving stations. If we catch you, you’ll get a big fine for wasting tax payer money by creating an imaginary trend. Just a thought.

]]> By: CO2Breath http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4362 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:13:55 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4362 From what I’ve seen, every station has its (complex) story.

Just looking at the current site to bin the data quality is very superficial. As an example, though rated poorly, I’d suggest that Norris, MT has had quite consistent data over its life (lives really) due to large medium distance local climate effect even though the sensor immediate micro-climate(s) may not meet the siteing guidelines (or have met it in the past at its (nearby) previous locations.

I’m still looking for a detailed description of the “system” the network is attempting to measure (all those soil temp data at the ag stations may be a better measure).

]]> By: Bill in Vigo http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4340 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:07:03 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4340 Knowing that national policy and international policy is going to be based on this very sophisticated technology (dang I wish I could spell).

It upsets me to see thousands of dollars of our tax dollars spent to develope advanced measurement devices and the to waste it all with poor location.

OH I know, the operator didn’t want to get his feet wet when it rained.

Bill

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4334 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:30:25 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4334 Lights=0?

]]> By: Jeff in Seattle http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4331 Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:12:25 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4331 BonkOnHead {

Of course! How silly of me! That must be some hellacious math!

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]]> By: Robert Coté http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4327 Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:27:57 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4327 Hansen has got to feel like this is slow torture.

REPLY: Maybe so, but the goal is not torture, but truth.

]]> By: Stan Needham http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4324 Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:30:57 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4324 Jeff,

You do realize, don’t you, that NASA GISS uses complex algorithms to adjust for this sort of “garbage”?

//sarcasm off

]]> By: Jeff in Seattle http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4321 Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:42:13 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-47/#comment-4321 Truly amazing that major world policy is being based on this complete garbage.

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