Comments on: Record cold events around the world in 2007 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/ The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Tue, 29 May 2012 12:26:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3663 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:26:55 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3663 “Although some desparate alarmists may try, cooling cannot be blamed on human activity…especially with still increasing CO2 concentrations. ”

Actually, I have a hypothesis that the Eenie-Weenie ice Age (1940-1970s) might have at least partially been due to human activities:

WWII Full-War production, massive numbers of superchrged air raid comtrails, 100 blasted/burned cities, a number of Troposphere-puncturing Firestorms/A-bombs, 1000 surface H-bomb tests (right on top of water or ice).

I don’t know how it all adds up, but it was largely high-in-the-atmosphere kind of stuff. (Maybe I’ll try to tot it up in some meaningful way. See what the numbers tell me.)

]]> By: michael hart http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3637 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:24:25 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3637 Bernd,
I recently read an interesting paper which, I think, addresses some of your question. I’ve pasted the title details at the bottom of the page.

The title “Does a Global Temperature Exist?”, is just one of the questions that has occured to me.

On a more practical level, does anyone know of a website where I can find
companies or people taking bets on predicted future temperatures?
Spread betting would be good, because then I wouldn’t have to wait too long for large changes not to occur, only for opinions to change.

And if I’m proved wrong… then it will be a good lesson in humility :))

Does a Global Temperature Exist?
Christopher Essex
Department of Applied Mathematics
University of Western Ontario
Ross McKitrick
Department of Economics
University of Guelph
Bjarne Andresen
Niels Bohr Institute
University of Copenhagen
J. Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics
(in press, June 2006)

]]> By: Bernd Felsche http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3603 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:01:01 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3603 Philip_B points out the recent cold spell in Perth, Western Australia. It was bloody cold for summer!
Right on cue; a few days later, it’s the “hottest it’s ever been” (well, since they’ve been keeping records … about 100 years). Two records in one month. Perhaps it’ll average out to no change. :-)
As a climate experiment ;-) on that hottest day I hosed down the hot concrete paving slabs then in the shade, but previously in the sun … with the result of an 8 degree C temperature drop until the surrounding air and radiation warmed to within 2 degrees of the previous ambient. Pretty much as expected.
I’m still puzzled how a transient such as an average temperature can be considered as being representative of thermal state. In temperate climates, it’s often near the average temperature for a very short time of the day; especially during summer. And what about humidity? Enthalphy?
There seems to be much more wrong than faded paint on Stevenson screens when only transient average temperatures are used to describe the heat content of the climate system.

]]> By: AGWscoffer http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3513 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:51:47 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3513 Although some desparate alarmists may try, cooling cannot be blamed on human activity…especially with still increasing CO2 concentrations. And there’s no way the alarmists will be able to use the cooling as confirmation of reduced CO2 brought on by their planet-saving efforts and awaremess. CO2 concentrations are going up. Instead look for them to turn to global dimming, where there will soon be universal consensus.

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3451 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:47:27 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3451 If it’s too hot it’s AGW. If it’s too cold it’s AGW. If it’s just right it’s AGW. They get to eat their porridge and have it, too. Science without the burden of falsifiability. They got all the bases covered.

]]> By: Philip_B http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3427 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:52:59 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3427 Perth, Western Australia had its coldest December temperature ever recorded this year. After its coldest temperature ever recorded last year (in fact, we broke the coldest ever record, then broke the new record a few days later).

Otherwise, the issue the warmers get all hot and bothered about is the climate trend. In particular, the accelerating warming trend AGW will cause. Cooling even over a relatively short period (a year or a few years) is a damming refutation of that thesis IMO.

]]> By: Alan D. McIntire http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3403 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:51:36 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3403 I read an article in my local paper on average rainfall, and found they average the last 30 years, adjusting every 5 or 10 years, I forget which, to a new 30 year average- So I guess “climate” is the average weather for the last 30 years.

]]> By: Alan D. McIntire http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3404 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:51:09 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3404 I read an article in my local paper on average rainfall, and found they average the last 30 years, adjusting every 5 or 10 years, I forget which, to a new 30 year average- So I guess “climate” is the average weather for the last 30 years.

]]> By: Larry Sheldon http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3399 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:39:11 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3399 “So the question I have: Is it fair to say that “climate” is the sum (or average, maybe) of “weather” over time?”

I think I have asked that several times…finally found an answer.

Since it is from NASA I wonder if I should accept it, even if it does seem right to me.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

Well, this one sentence seems right to me, some of the rest, not so much.

“The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere “behaves” over relatively long periods of time.”

Anthony: I’d agree with that

]]> By: MattN http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3392 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:36:52 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3392 Boy, they either love or hate Bastardi on that blog.

Time will tell if he’s right.

]]> By: Evan Jones http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3391 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:28:31 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3391 “A lot of reputations are now going to disappear along with it”

Insofar as i am able, I do not intend to allow THAT!

If I have anything to say about it, the names, Gore, Hansen, and Mann are going to be–at least–as well remembered as the names, Malthus, Ehrlich, and Carson.

Not to mention the names, Watts and McIntyre!

]]> By: George M http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3390 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:54:14 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3390 In regard to the last paragraph, if only it were so. But these people have built themselves into a no-lose situation as has been thoroughly discussed over on CA, with reference to Popper and falsification,
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/popper_falsification.html
under the thread “Record Snow in Toronto”.

]]> By: Larry Sheldon http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3389 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:43:04 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3389 “A caveat: I caution the reader that annual weather does not equate to long term climate. ”

I keep seeing that, or something close to that. (In the rest of this comment you may well think that I am just being argumentative, but I really don’t know enough to do that. I am somewhere between a nebbish and a nobody and I reall would like some clarification.)

The news hit a while back that a windstorm blew all the ice out of the Northwest Passage (or something like that) and that that event was proof positive that global warming (climate change) was real.

Now the ice is “growing” back at an (apparently) unprecedented rate, but that is just a local *weather* phenomenon.

We had uncommon (FSVO “uncommon”) warm weather (or absence of bone chilling cold weather) this past fall–proof positive that global warming (climate change) was afoot.

No we have sort of ordinary (for my short 17 years here) cold weather and snow on the ground (I have heard “record setting” used in describing some of the cold, ice, and snow, but I’m not so sure of that) but that is just local weather, no big deal. (:”Local” seems to run from New Mexico to Maine and I don’t remember that so much, but ….)

So the question I have: Is it fair to say that “climate” is the sum (or average, maybe) of “weather” over time?

]]> By: Jim B http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3385 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:30:52 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3385 Does anyone know what the RSS and UAH number are looking like for December?

]]> By: Ben Hargrove http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3379 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:45:33 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/record-cold-events-around-the-world-in-2007/#comment-3379 Just watch, the cooling will be cashed in as evidence that the reduction in anthropogenic CO2 has quelled our fatal fever!

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