Has anyone ever thought that the Earth Axis might have shifted
slightly because of tsunamies or other extreme weather events, which
has impacted on climates all over the world, and not as a result
of global warming.

Sincerely,

Christiane Maxwell

It would be interesting to know the location of the stations which have yet to be surveyed. Perhaps they could be represented by an open circle. These would serve several purposes:
- it would show where surveys were needed
- it would further address the issue of cherry-picking
- it would further address the point that the stations are concentrated in high-density population areas, such as the east and west coasts (as this may be attributable to the number of volunteers)

Hmm. Didn’t I see that SAME barbecue setup near every single site? That SAME air conditioner? That SAME Hummer? (That SAME Mig-29?)

PS: Hoping to fill in a string of West Texas stations in the next month. But if a critic of the project would like to float me the money I’ll take vacation and do it next week!

It is somewhat OT, and for that I apologize, but it is very big news in this debate, indeed. Straight from the Monck:

“The IPCC now says the combined contribution of the two great ice-sheets to sea-level rise will be less than seven centimeters after 100 years, not seven meters imminently, and that the Greenland ice sheet (which thickened by 50 cm between 1995 and 2005) might only melt after several millennia, probably by natural causes, just as it last did 850,000 years ago. ”

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Of course, we might point out (and not without justification), if the IPCC has screwed up this badly, one might also distrust he above results as well.

However, taken as it stands, it seems that the observations (i.e., knees-in-the-mud measurement) of That Most Wicked Witch of the Sea, ol’ Axe Moerner have prevailed over the prognostications of IPCC doom.

I had, of course, to account for the fact that Our Favorite Sea Witch had to resort to beastly Lyndon LaRouche for publication. I concluded, it appears correctly, that he was absolutely unable to obtain publication elsewhere. Also, not being an American himself, he was, perhaps, unaware of the radical nature of the beastly Double-L.

I do not see an equivalent objection to Lord M.. After all, he is an official peer reviewer of the IPCC (as was the Axe). The strength of confirmation is enhanced by the fact that Lord M.’s conclusions are reached by a different means of measurement than Axe M.’s. In the former case, the conclusion comes from revision of CO2 forcing calculations. In the latter case, we have direct surface measurements buttressed by rotational period calculations (the higher the sea level, the marginally slower the rotation of the earth).

Moerner also insisted that the IPCC satelllite measurements had been cherry-picked (in Hong Kong, IRRC) to measure areas that were subsiding while avoiding nearby areas that were geologically stable. That meant that either Moerner was lying through his teeth, had gone batty, or was correct. And that it was only a matter of time before someone actually eyeballed the situation.

One is forcibly reminded of the Rev and his efforts!

If the neo-conclusions of the IPCC are correct, it puts paid any and all the panic regarding climate change. My number one concern, and that of most others was sea level rise. (Secondary concerns involve the expansion of the Sahara, but the opposite is happening–the Sahel is spreading northward very rapidly.)

The retreat of non-Greenland/Antarctic glaciers (c. zero percent of land ice) was considered alarming from a symptomatic approach, but as direct effect, such retreat can only be regarded as an unmitigated blessing. It seems the prayers of those who traveled up the Alps and begged God for a cessation of the environmental horrors of glaciation have finally been answered.

The only problem I have with all this is that the white paper I have been preparing on the subject may become passe within the next couple of months. Other than that, I can only regard it as Christmas come early.

It was clear that the average (mean) reflected a small number of sites with a lot of warming and most sites showed no or almost no warming.

Combine this with the siting issues documented and the multiple adjustments to the data, and you have to wonder if the warming trend is even real.

Bill in vigo was spot on, the science starts when we measure properly.

I don’t think it’s premature at all do an analysis on the data collected. It IS premature to draw conclusions at this point but it would be shortsighted not to look at preliminary results.

JohnV is (hopefully) continuing to work on his program and may have a decent version going by the time surfacestations hits 50%, although he has been a little trigger happy to draw conclusions in my opinion.

Here’s a list of the stations in Texas that haven’t been surveyed.

Albany, Alice, Ballinger, BALMORHEA, BEEVILLE 5NE, BLANCO, BOERNE, BOYS RANCH, BROWNWOOD, CATARINA, CLARKSVILLE 2NE, CORSICANA, CROSBYTON, DANEVANG 1W, DUBLIN, EAGLE PASS, EL PASO WSO AP, ENCINAL, FALFURRIAS, FLATONIA, GAINESVILLE 5ENE, HALLETTSVILLE 2N, HASKELL, LAMPASAS, LLANO, LULING, MARSHALL, MCCAMEY, MEXIA, MIAMI, MULESHOE 1, PECOS, PLAINVIEW, QUANAH 5SE, RIO GRANDE CITY 3W, SEMINOLE, SNYDER, STRATFORD, TEMPLE.
(This is info from step one in the guide linked below)

Click here for details on how to locate the individual stations and what to do when you find them.

Thanks for stepping forward and I wish you good luck on the hunting!

Rikard said:

“I think it is already possible to make the conclusion that satellite (MSU) is our best available data for the last 28 years.”

The ony real problems with satellite data are as follows:

1. Still listed as an estimate.

2. At last count, there were at least 6 studies observing the same data, and there are just as many trends (from about .05 to .2 dC per decade). No real “consensus” yet. An average of the trends is still twice that of the surface station trend.

3. Still misses the poles, requires ground data to fill in the blanks.

So quick to accuse!
So slow to check it out!

More dim bulbs from the “Lights=0″ side of the aisle.

Especially as the original breakdown was much the same as the current lot.

One Freudian Word: PROJECTION

I am planning a trip to Iowa in late April 2008. I could probably make it to seven of the sites in the SE quadrant of Iowa. Is this too late to help?

I live in Dallas, TX, have relatives in Tulsa, OK, and travel to Austin, TX from time to time. I would be willing to survey any nearby stations or stations between these locations you can identify. I would need instructions and and necessary equipment identified.