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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/11/26/the-scoop-on-satellite-temperature-data/#comment-2787</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill in Virgo, I am repeatedly struck by how every climate reconstruction shows a late 20th century downturn in temp (the divergence problem). Perhaps the proxies are right (obvious comment about the proxies teleconnection to future climate avoided. But I wouldn&#039;t discount a temporal teleconnection paper from the usual source, in the not to distance future),]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill in Virgo, I am repeatedly struck by how every climate reconstruction shows a late 20th century downturn in temp (the divergence problem). Perhaps the proxies are right (obvious comment about the proxies teleconnection to future climate avoided. But I wouldn&#8217;t discount a temporal teleconnection paper from the usual source, in the not to distance future),</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, Rev. 

My head is still spinning. But at least I --seem--to gather that at least they weren&#039;t conflating it with ground station data. 

Bottom line, so far: seems to be as flat as a pancake. With that nasty little recent down-tic. (Cycle 24 where aaaaaaare you? Poor Tom&#039;s a-cold!)

BTW, I got a bone to pick with you, Rev: You need to squeeze that surface temp graph a bit narrower. Your current slope doesn&#039;t look nearly threatening enough. And play it safe: stick with the 5-year averaging. We want to avoid those ugly dips and we need to start our 1998-2007 trendline from a lower spot on the graph, don&#039;t we? Get with the program! Your grant money [not] may be at issue!

Kristen Byrnes--Presence noted. Sic the &quot;minaccing&quot; bums. (Not all liberals are against you.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Rev. </p>
<p>My head is still spinning. But at least I &#8211;seem&#8211;to gather that at least they weren&#8217;t conflating it with ground station data. </p>
<p>Bottom line, so far: seems to be as flat as a pancake. With that nasty little recent down-tic. (Cycle 24 where aaaaaaare you? Poor Tom&#8217;s a-cold!)</p>
<p>BTW, I got a bone to pick with you, Rev: You need to squeeze that surface temp graph a bit narrower. Your current slope doesn&#8217;t look nearly threatening enough. And play it safe: stick with the 5-year averaging. We want to avoid those ugly dips and we need to start our 1998-2007 trendline from a lower spot on the graph, don&#8217;t we? Get with the program! Your grant money [not] may be at issue!</p>
<p>Kristen Byrnes&#8211;Presence noted. Sic the &#8220;minaccing&#8221; bums. (Not all liberals are against you.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless of the perception of Christy and Spencer opinions on AGW, the past errors of theirs which have been corrected, etc, I don&#039;t think anyone has had their work scrutinized as much as theirs.

RSS&#039; analysis of the the raw satellite data has typically had a warmer trend than Christy and Spencer&#039;s UAH results.  Much of their difference had previously been resolved, but I think there are still small difference in their calibration algorithms when accounting for satellites going on and off-line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the perception of Christy and Spencer opinions on AGW, the past errors of theirs which have been corrected, etc, I don&#8217;t think anyone has had their work scrutinized as much as theirs.</p>
<p>RSS&#8217; analysis of the the raw satellite data has typically had a warmer trend than Christy and Spencer&#8217;s UAH results.  Much of their difference had previously been resolved, but I think there are still small difference in their calibration algorithms when accounting for satellites going on and off-line.</p>
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		<title>By: BarryW</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I remember correctly the models project a mid troposphere warming greater than lower and a stratosphere cooling.  The latter appears to be happening, but not necessarily the former.  If CO2 is increasing at a faster rate then wouldn&#039;t you expect the curves of the troposphere data to at least be rising at the same rate or faster?  Is there an explanation out there from the AGW proponents?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly the models project a mid troposphere warming greater than lower and a stratosphere cooling.  The latter appears to be happening, but not necessarily the former.  If CO2 is increasing at a faster rate then wouldn&#8217;t you expect the curves of the troposphere data to at least be rising at the same rate or faster?  Is there an explanation out there from the AGW proponents?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill in Vigo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill in Vigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would hope that we might not discount any data.  Just because the names Christy and Spencer have been mentioned shouldn&#039;t be a reason to discount the data.  ( some get tired of &quot;he is a known skeptic&quot; always being used to discount data while expecting to have the agw data taken at face value.

Please don&#039;t discount data on a name basis.  Test the results and the data first and then if it is in error post your results and methods.  

My thoughts and Anthony you may remove the post if you desire.
Bill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope that we might not discount any data.  Just because the names Christy and Spencer have been mentioned shouldn&#8217;t be a reason to discount the data.  ( some get tired of &#8220;he is a known skeptic&#8221; always being used to discount data while expecting to have the agw data taken at face value.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t discount data on a name basis.  Test the results and the data first and then if it is in error post your results and methods.  </p>
<p>My thoughts and Anthony you may remove the post if you desire.<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: George M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the details, Anthony.  I guess I started this, principally because I had not seen ANY data anywhere which fit the Booker/Telegraph description.  And these graphs really do not either, if you consider both the &quot;cooling since 1998&quot; statement, which infers warming previous to 1998,  and then the  comparison back to 1983 temperature.  He has to either have been looking at something else, or through a very distorted lens.

However, based on the ever increasing stridence of the AGW group towards getting expensive legislation passed immediately, one wonders if they are seeing reversals in some of their temperaure trends more clearly then we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the details, Anthony.  I guess I started this, principally because I had not seen ANY data anywhere which fit the Booker/Telegraph description.  And these graphs really do not either, if you consider both the &#8220;cooling since 1998&#8243; statement, which infers warming previous to 1998,  and then the  comparison back to 1983 temperature.  He has to either have been looking at something else, or through a very distorted lens.</p>
<p>However, based on the ever increasing stridence of the AGW group towards getting expensive legislation passed immediately, one wonders if they are seeing reversals in some of their temperaure trends more clearly then we have.</p>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattsupwiththat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, 

I&#039;ve made a couple of corrections to the text, to make sure the provenance of the data is clear. I don&#039;t know if Christy has &quot;blessed&quot; these results or not, and I don&#039;t want to get caught up in the middle of a war between two groups on the subject.

My goal for this post was to provide some relevant data in time series form for those that came away from the Telegraph UK article with questions. Hopefully I haven&#039;t created more than I&#039;ve answered. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made a couple of corrections to the text, to make sure the provenance of the data is clear. I don&#8217;t know if Christy has &#8220;blessed&#8221; these results or not, and I don&#8217;t want to get caught up in the middle of a war between two groups on the subject.</p>
<p>My goal for this post was to provide some relevant data in time series form for those that came away from the Telegraph UK article with questions. Hopefully I haven&#8217;t created more than I&#8217;ve answered. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this Christy and Spencer&#039;s data?

From the Introduction on the page you linked:
&lt;i&gt;...The scientists working on the microwave sounding data are Carl Mears and Frank Wentz at Remote Sensing Systems....&lt;/i&gt;

Has Christy blessed these results?  Or is there still disagreement amongst the &lt;strike&gt;warring parties&lt;/strike&gt; scientists that analyze the data?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this Christy and Spencer&#8217;s data?</p>
<p>From the Introduction on the page you linked:<br />
<i>&#8230;The scientists working on the microwave sounding data are Carl Mears and Frank Wentz at Remote Sensing Systems&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>Has Christy blessed these results?  Or is there still disagreement amongst the <strike>warring parties</strike> scientists that analyze the data?</p>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wattsupwiththat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan as far as I know, this data has been corrected for orbital decay, and has also gone through rigorous calibrations so that data from several different spacecraft with different instruments is merged into an essentially homogeneous data set.

When you look at the truly raw data from the different spacecraft, spotting trends is very difficult. See this paper to get an idea of what I&#039;m talking about:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/uah-msu.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan as far as I know, this data has been corrected for orbital decay, and has also gone through rigorous calibrations so that data from several different spacecraft with different instruments is merged into an essentially homogeneous data set.</p>
<p>When you look at the truly raw data from the different spacecraft, spotting trends is very difficult. See this paper to get an idea of what I&#8217;m talking about:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/uah-msu.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/uah-msu.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kristen Byrnes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristen Byrnes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1983 there was a strong El Nino that would have warmed things but for the El Chichon volcano. If you take the cooling from the temperature record caused by volcanoes then you will get the correct temperature signal caused by changes in solar, ENSO, PDO and etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1983 there was a strong El Nino that would have warmed things but for the El Chichon volcano. If you take the cooling from the temperature record caused by volcanoes then you will get the correct temperature signal caused by changes in solar, ENSO, PDO and etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wowsers, Rev!

Is this data semi-raw, with adjustments for orbital decay and the like? Or has it been through the usual hash-mill?

So the lower trop doesn&#039;t jibe with the surface data, eh? Veeeery interesting!
Seems to me that THERE&#039;S your delta. Does the dif match up with what you&#039;d expect from the microsite biases? Or must needs you continue in madarin mode until the rest of the surface data comes in?

Also, Note how that 5-year trend makes adjusted (bah!) temps look like it just keeps heading up from 1998. Ain&#039;t no trendline here! Yeah, the multi-year averaging has its uses, but the main purpose seems to me to be to convey a statistical lie regarding the trend over the last decade.

I assume you&#039;ve seen how a bell-curve gets grossly distorted if expressued using multi-point averaging, and how it perverts the trend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wowsers, Rev!</p>
<p>Is this data semi-raw, with adjustments for orbital decay and the like? Or has it been through the usual hash-mill?</p>
<p>So the lower trop doesn&#8217;t jibe with the surface data, eh? Veeeery interesting!<br />
Seems to me that THERE&#8217;S your delta. Does the dif match up with what you&#8217;d expect from the microsite biases? Or must needs you continue in madarin mode until the rest of the surface data comes in?</p>
<p>Also, Note how that 5-year trend makes adjusted (bah!) temps look like it just keeps heading up from 1998. Ain&#8217;t no trendline here! Yeah, the multi-year averaging has its uses, but the main purpose seems to me to be to convey a statistical lie regarding the trend over the last decade.</p>
<p>I assume you&#8217;ve seen how a bell-curve gets grossly distorted if expressued using multi-point averaging, and how it perverts the trend.</p>
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