But say for the sake of argument that the number is a proxy for energy balance and all our other assumptions about the number are correct. Then we say that it’s abnormal and dangerous, and something has to be causing it.

The way we use and change the land seems to be most or all of it. I would think this is the logical (and obvious) conclusion.

It rests on a very shaky foundation and counts on a weak and crowded chain of assumptions. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suspend judgement on this; it’s not particularly convincing given the unknowns.

Then I’d ask this question: Since the major human-caused greenhouse gases appear to all move in tandem, isn’t it more likely they are an effect of temperature than the other way around?

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And people wonder why I say the warming observed isn’t global, it’s local.

-54.4994 158.9369 in Google Earth

will give you a view of what appears to be the white box used to take the measurements on Macquarie Island. No asphalt parking lots here.

What could possibly be the cause of this discrepancy? The obvious answer is that in the NH there are hundreds of millions of people living around this latitude with high energy consuming lifestyles (remember Canada has the highest per capita energy consumption in the world), all of which ends up as heat in the atmosphere.

In the SH the population at the same latitudes is a few thousand and zero in the vicinity of Macquarie Island.

http://gustofhotair.blogspot.com/2006/11/consistent-macquarie.html

Amundsen-Scott station:

http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/icd/gjma/amundsen-scott.ann.trend.pdf

Vostok:

http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/public/icd/gjma/vostok.ann.trend.pdf

Those are ideal not only because there is no parking lot nearby. They give more reliable yearly average temperature data because there is less noise with daytime temps variability. Now can you spot a hockey stick trend on both graphs?

Maybe it is and maybe it ain’t.

All you can show me is a buch of badly taken, scandalously maladjusted data, collected and manipulated by partisans of the debate, drowned in statistical snow, the base (sans snow) margins of error of which are greater than the warming claimed to be measured.

That data shows a modest 0.6C rise in World temps over the last century.

Add to which, those who adjust the data and construct the models refuse to release their data and methods–like any common witch doctor.

Is it getting any warmer? How would I know? How would you know?

If you look at the charts they show on TV, all you see is an arrow going straight up. What you probably missed was that those are done by multi-year averaging.

But if you look at the year-by-year data, temperatures have actually declined over the last decade. But you probably have not been shown those charts.

Join our quest for the most routine of due diligence, balancedman. Let the chips fall where they may. Then decide for yourself.

Balancedman, I watched your video; in fact, I watched it twice, because I thought I must have missed something. Depending on who you listen to, the planet is predicted to warm by from approximately 3 – 11 degrees F by 2100. Most best estimates put the rise at somewhere around 4-5 degrees. In the video, one of your scenarios is Global Warming is real, but man takes action in time and averts disaster (big smiley face), and everyone’s happy. Assuming that mankind assesses that risk (a 4-5 degree rise in the next 92 years) as one we shouldn’t take, what specific action (the thing missing from your video) or combinations of actions would you suggest the human race take to avoid such a potential catastrophe? Please also provide mathematical and/or scientific proof as to how your proposed action or actions will effect global climate. If you could, also please factor in the approximate cost in economic terms, as well as ROI, and how that ROI compares to spending the same amount of money on other critical problems facing mankind (clean drinking water, disease, AIDS, etc.. This is not a trick question, I genuinely want to know what I can do as an individual (or assuming I convince a lot of other individuals to join me) can do that will impact global climate.

Balancedman, Of course it’s real, sheesh! That’s everyone’s point here. If by “real” you mean caused by CO2, then you simply have no proof.

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