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	<title>Comments on: Guest Weblog: CO2 variation by Jim Goodridge, former California State Climatologist</title>
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		<description>2hiIdI Hello!,</description>
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		<title>By: Cindi Stevenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindi Stevenson</dc:creator>
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		<description>gilbert fondu anthropometrist yokeable nontraction deganglionate machinist dudeen
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/talktobosch/" rel="nofollow">Nate Bosch: &#8220;The Land of Israel&#8221;</a><br />
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		<title>By: Double Whammy Friday: Roy Spencer on how Oceans are Driving CO2 &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Whammy Friday: Roy Spencer on how Oceans are Driving CO2 &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out that former California State Climatologist Jim Goodridge posted a short essay on this blog, Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Variation, that postulated something [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Savik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree! This guy sucks!</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB: Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Northern Hemispheric oceans do play a role in the seasonal cycling of CO2, the most likely factor would be winds off the Sahara blowing iron dust to fertilize the Atlantic promoting marine growth which in turn metabolizes the CO2.  Since these Saharan winds do not cross the equator, the Southern Oceans do not get the benefit of iron fertilization and maybe also explains why there is very little cycling of CO2 in the Southern Hemisphere given the smaller proportional land mass below the equator.  Which also leads us to a possible 2nd reason why CO2 is rising, beyond the melting permafrost off gassing CO2, that being a lack of iron fertilization of the Northern Hemispheric Oceans due to non-drought conditions.  Without drought, i.e. the lack of rainfall to contain the dust, a wetter climate automatically induces higher atmospheric CO2 by virtue of limited nutrients for marine photosynthesis.  According to the historic record, ice ages tend to be periods of drought, which in turn causes more dust in the air, promoting marine photosynthesis and thus pulling CO2 out of the air.  So from this perspective given the huge scales, it would seem to be obvious CO2 responds to the change in climate, it does not cause the change in climate. 

Note slide 16 &amp; 45 and its limiting factors, where the bulk of marine photosynthesis occurs.  http://academic.engr.arizona.edu/HWR/Brooks/NATS101sec48/lectures/4-1-2003.ppt#298   Note the high levels of marine growth off of the Sahara and in the subarctic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Northern Hemispheric oceans do play a role in the seasonal cycling of CO2, the most likely factor would be winds off the Sahara blowing iron dust to fertilize the Atlantic promoting marine growth which in turn metabolizes the CO2.  Since these Saharan winds do not cross the equator, the Southern Oceans do not get the benefit of iron fertilization and maybe also explains why there is very little cycling of CO2 in the Southern Hemisphere given the smaller proportional land mass below the equator.  Which also leads us to a possible 2nd reason why CO2 is rising, beyond the melting permafrost off gassing CO2, that being a lack of iron fertilization of the Northern Hemispheric Oceans due to non-drought conditions.  Without drought, i.e. the lack of rainfall to contain the dust, a wetter climate automatically induces higher atmospheric CO2 by virtue of limited nutrients for marine photosynthesis.  According to the historic record, ice ages tend to be periods of drought, which in turn causes more dust in the air, promoting marine photosynthesis and thus pulling CO2 out of the air.  So from this perspective given the huge scales, it would seem to be obvious CO2 responds to the change in climate, it does not cause the change in climate. </p>
<p>Note slide 16 &amp; 45 and its limiting factors, where the bulk of marine photosynthesis occurs.  <a href="http://academic.engr.arizona.edu/HWR/Brooks/NATS101sec48/lectures/4-1-2003.ppt#298" rel="nofollow">http://academic.engr.arizona.edu/HWR/Brooks/NATS101sec48/lectures/4-1-2003.ppt#298</a>   Note the high levels of marine growth off of the Sahara and in the subarctic.</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris, all the C12/C13 ratios prove is that recent CO2 hasn&#039;t been absorbed or sequestered, what it doesn&#039;t prove is why.  Regardless of where the CO2 comes from, the issue is the sources of CO2 and rates of sequestration and plant growth.  Even you as an AGW supporter must acknowledge that mankind only creates a very small fraction compared to what nature does on an annual basis.  Simply trying to blame one source among many sources is disengenuous.  

The essence of AGW claims is that more CO2 is being produced than absorbed by nature.  The problem with that claim is nature&#039;s ability to absorb CO2 is highly variable just as weather it is certainly not constant.  What Goodridge is saying is that we haven&#039;t considered adequately all the ways in which nature absorbs CO2, one of them being marine photosysthesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris, all the C12/C13 ratios prove is that recent CO2 hasn&#8217;t been absorbed or sequestered, what it doesn&#8217;t prove is why.  Regardless of where the CO2 comes from, the issue is the sources of CO2 and rates of sequestration and plant growth.  Even you as an AGW supporter must acknowledge that mankind only creates a very small fraction compared to what nature does on an annual basis.  Simply trying to blame one source among many sources is disengenuous.  </p>
<p>The essence of AGW claims is that more CO2 is being produced than absorbed by nature.  The problem with that claim is nature&#8217;s ability to absorb CO2 is highly variable just as weather it is certainly not constant.  What Goodridge is saying is that we haven&#8217;t considered adequately all the ways in which nature absorbs CO2, one of them being marine photosysthesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The rising values of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the time of the Mouna Loa measurements could clearly be a function of reduced solubility of CO2 in the oceans of the Planet.&quot;

Not true. It&#039;s clear that increasing CO2 levels come from the burning of fossil fuels. One reason we know that the ocean is not the source is because the CO2 concentration in the ocean has been increasing. Further, C12/C13 isotope ratios confirm FF as a source for atmospheric CO2 increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The rising values of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the time of the Mouna Loa measurements could clearly be a function of reduced solubility of CO2 in the oceans of the Planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true. It&#8217;s clear that increasing CO2 levels come from the burning of fossil fuels. One reason we know that the ocean is not the source is because the CO2 concentration in the ocean has been increasing. Further, C12/C13 isotope ratios confirm FF as a source for atmospheric CO2 increases.</p>
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		<title>By: davidcobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scripts laudes Keeling as one of the first believers in global warming who set out in the early fifties to  find evidence of the rise CO2.  The Keeling curve isn&#039;t named that because he was the first to identify it, but because he and the team he left behind at scripts are the only ones who know how to monitor global CO2.  If anyone knows of any study ( independant of Scripts )demonstrating the Keeling curve I would like to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scripts laudes Keeling as one of the first believers in global warming who set out in the early fifties to  find evidence of the rise CO2.  The Keeling curve isn&#8217;t named that because he was the first to identify it, but because he and the team he left behind at scripts are the only ones who know how to monitor global CO2.  If anyone knows of any study ( independant of Scripts )demonstrating the Keeling curve I would like to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southern Hemispheric CO2 readings:  http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-keel.htm  Something is very odd, there is virtually no seasonal cycling in these monthly readings.  The graphic shows a slight cycling but the digital data shows very slight less than 1 ppm variation for the season.

&quot;Monthly values are expressed in parts per million (ppm) and reported in the 2003A SIO manometric mole fraction scale.  The monthly values have been adjusted to the 15th of each month.  Missing values are denoted by -99.99. The &quot;annual&quot; average is the arithmetic mean of the twelve monthly values.
In years with one or two missing monthly values, annual values were calculated by substituting a fit value (4-harmonics with gain factor and spline) for that month and then averaging the twelve monthly values.&quot;  

&quot;Atmospheric CO2 concentrations (ppmv) derived from flask and in situ air samples collected at the South Pole&quot;

Notice that the chart starts in 1957 and has a virtual straight line slope to 2004, so atmospheric CO2 was rising before they even heard of Global Warming.  Very odd indeed.  Notice all the other graphics have a similar straight line trend with minor squiggles to 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern Hemispheric CO2 readings:  <a href="http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-keel.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-keel.htm</a>  Something is very odd, there is virtually no seasonal cycling in these monthly readings.  The graphic shows a slight cycling but the digital data shows very slight less than 1 ppm variation for the season.</p>
<p>&#8220;Monthly values are expressed in parts per million (ppm) and reported in the 2003A SIO manometric mole fraction scale.  The monthly values have been adjusted to the 15th of each month.  Missing values are denoted by -99.99. The &#8220;annual&#8221; average is the arithmetic mean of the twelve monthly values.<br />
In years with one or two missing monthly values, annual values were calculated by substituting a fit value (4-harmonics with gain factor and spline) for that month and then averaging the twelve monthly values.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Atmospheric CO2 concentrations (ppmv) derived from flask and in situ air samples collected at the South Pole&#8221;</p>
<p>Notice that the chart starts in 1957 and has a virtual straight line slope to 2004, so atmospheric CO2 was rising before they even heard of Global Warming.  Very odd indeed.  Notice all the other graphics have a similar straight line trend with minor squiggles to 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking more on this last night when another question came to me regarding CO2 measurements.  Since Mauna Loa is in the Northern Hemisphere and the seasonal CO2 cycling is in phase with the Northern Seasons, I wonder if a Southern Hemisphere CO2 reading is being taken and if it also shows a seasonal cycling?  Is the Southern CO2 cycling in phase with the Southern Seasons??????  If it is, then is the slope of increase and decrease sharper than in the Northern Hemisphere to match the sharper slope of Antarctic ice cover variation?  

There is an important implication in this colloration, there is an optimum ice coverage that either increases or decreases CO2 uptake from the atmosphere to the water as reflected in the seasonal CO2 cycling.  If the Northern and Southern CO2 reading cycling in reverse of each other, i.e. in phase with their respective seasons, then we should see a statistically significant difference between the Northern and Southern Hemipheric CO2 readings.  Which leads me to a suspicion:  If the Southern Hemisphere has shown no Global Warming according to the temperature data, and that the averaging in of the Northern Hemisphere with the Southern Hemisphere gave us the appearance of &quot;Global Warming&quot; when in fact it was Northern Hemispheric warming, have we been similarly mislead with planetary CO2????  What is the Southern Hemisphere&#039;s CO2 history????????????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking more on this last night when another question came to me regarding CO2 measurements.  Since Mauna Loa is in the Northern Hemisphere and the seasonal CO2 cycling is in phase with the Northern Seasons, I wonder if a Southern Hemisphere CO2 reading is being taken and if it also shows a seasonal cycling?  Is the Southern CO2 cycling in phase with the Southern Seasons??????  If it is, then is the slope of increase and decrease sharper than in the Northern Hemisphere to match the sharper slope of Antarctic ice cover variation?  </p>
<p>There is an important implication in this colloration, there is an optimum ice coverage that either increases or decreases CO2 uptake from the atmosphere to the water as reflected in the seasonal CO2 cycling.  If the Northern and Southern CO2 reading cycling in reverse of each other, i.e. in phase with their respective seasons, then we should see a statistically significant difference between the Northern and Southern Hemipheric CO2 readings.  Which leads me to a suspicion:  If the Southern Hemisphere has shown no Global Warming according to the temperature data, and that the averaging in of the Northern Hemisphere with the Southern Hemisphere gave us the appearance of &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; when in fact it was Northern Hemispheric warming, have we been similarly mislead with planetary CO2????  What is the Southern Hemisphere&#8217;s CO2 history????????????????????</p>
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		<title>By: James Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks davidcobb.
So, in a period where industry was poorly distributed, Keeling could not find places on any continent, except Antarctica, where the random noise wasn&#039;t a dominant feature.  To get noise free measurements, he had to be thousands of miles from these randomized land sources.   Yet we believe in near instant diffusion throughout the atmosphere, at least on the time scale of the models.
Did they say why these remote noise free regions could reliably characterize all the rest of the world?  
Did they say why they could reliably ignore local effects?  Maybe it is a should instead of a could.  Do high altitude balloon measurements vary as much?
Here is a good one.  If you live near a major CO2 source, is there clear evidence of warming based upon the CO2 being blown towards you rather than away from you?  What if the major source is shut down for long maintenance periods?

Re: Evan Jones,
I don&#039;t know the latest values either, but I have two possible reasons.  The first is the authors may not all be up to date.  Using the graph above, ~353ppm could be from a source in the early 90&#039;s, 380 ppm is much more recent.  The second possibility could be the units.  Some measurements are in parts volume and some in parts mass.  CO2 is heavier than N2 and O2, which dominate the atmosphere, so it should read higher in parts mass than in parts volume.
  
The possiblility that it could be different in different places seems to be settled by a perverse argument that the poor localized mixing of CO2 causes such random variations that it is impossible to measure, yet we can safely assume uniform mixing throughout the world so that we can use the reliable measurements we can make in locations that are both extreme and remote to represent the real values all over the world.   
If I argued the same with temperature, it would be laughed out of the park.  Especially after it was clear that I chose Hawaii and Antarctica as my representative samples.
Maybe they are right.  But it looks to me as if they choose to accept this rather than test it.  On the other hand, they clearly don&#039;t accept any of the old proofs of a Medievel Warm Period that was as warm or warmer than today.
This seems to me to be rife for scientific exploration.  Properly done, we could gain great knowledge of sources, sinks, dispersion, diffusion and mixing.  
We believe that almost half of what we add to the skies gets taken out by some sink, with the rest getting nearly instantaneously well mixed througout the atmosphere.  If that is true, the levels have to be higher downwind of sources, being reduced downwind of sinks.  Since we are adding to levels, the ocean should be a relative sink.  But is it?  If the readings are higher the closer you get to Asia, and lower the closer you get to the Americas, then we would know just how well the ocean is acting as a sink.
A researcher could even phrase all his research proposals as truly being necessary to fully understand anthropogenic global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks davidcobb.<br />
So, in a period where industry was poorly distributed, Keeling could not find places on any continent, except Antarctica, where the random noise wasn&#8217;t a dominant feature.  To get noise free measurements, he had to be thousands of miles from these randomized land sources.   Yet we believe in near instant diffusion throughout the atmosphere, at least on the time scale of the models.<br />
Did they say why these remote noise free regions could reliably characterize all the rest of the world?<br />
Did they say why they could reliably ignore local effects?  Maybe it is a should instead of a could.  Do high altitude balloon measurements vary as much?<br />
Here is a good one.  If you live near a major CO2 source, is there clear evidence of warming based upon the CO2 being blown towards you rather than away from you?  What if the major source is shut down for long maintenance periods?</p>
<p>Re: Evan Jones,<br />
I don&#8217;t know the latest values either, but I have two possible reasons.  The first is the authors may not all be up to date.  Using the graph above, ~353ppm could be from a source in the early 90&#8217;s, 380 ppm is much more recent.  The second possibility could be the units.  Some measurements are in parts volume and some in parts mass.  CO2 is heavier than N2 and O2, which dominate the atmosphere, so it should read higher in parts mass than in parts volume.</p>
<p>The possiblility that it could be different in different places seems to be settled by a perverse argument that the poor localized mixing of CO2 causes such random variations that it is impossible to measure, yet we can safely assume uniform mixing throughout the world so that we can use the reliable measurements we can make in locations that are both extreme and remote to represent the real values all over the world.<br />
If I argued the same with temperature, it would be laughed out of the park.  Especially after it was clear that I chose Hawaii and Antarctica as my representative samples.<br />
Maybe they are right.  But it looks to me as if they choose to accept this rather than test it.  On the other hand, they clearly don&#8217;t accept any of the old proofs of a Medievel Warm Period that was as warm or warmer than today.<br />
This seems to me to be rife for scientific exploration.  Properly done, we could gain great knowledge of sources, sinks, dispersion, diffusion and mixing.<br />
We believe that almost half of what we add to the skies gets taken out by some sink, with the rest getting nearly instantaneously well mixed througout the atmosphere.  If that is true, the levels have to be higher downwind of sources, being reduced downwind of sinks.  Since we are adding to levels, the ocean should be a relative sink.  But is it?  If the readings are higher the closer you get to Asia, and lower the closer you get to the Americas, then we would know just how well the ocean is acting as a sink.<br />
A researcher could even phrase all his research proposals as truly being necessary to fully understand anthropogenic global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: CO2Breath</title>
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		<dc:creator>CO2Breath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious about the red &quot;annual&quot; curve in the middle plot. Since it seems to have more than one point per &quot;year&quot;, is it really a 12 month average of some sort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about the red &#8220;annual&#8221; curve in the middle plot. Since it seems to have more than one point per &#8220;year&#8221;, is it really a 12 month average of some sort?</p>
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		<title>By: Solar Cycles, Seasonal CO2 Levels, Not Humans - Global Warming &#171; Waste Of My Oxygen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solar Cycles, Seasonal CO2 Levels, Not Humans - Global Warming &#171; Waste Of My Oxygen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Global&#160;Warming I wonder what Al Gore has to say about this article which clearly shows the cyclical nature of &#8220;Global Warming&#8221;. As usually the liberal media has surpressed another scientific piece of evidence against Gores [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; Global&nbsp;Warming I wonder what Al Gore has to say about this article which clearly shows the cyclical nature of &#8220;Global Warming&#8221;. As usually the liberal media has surpressed another scientific piece of evidence against Gores [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen figures that list CO2 at 353 ppm and 360 ppm. Now I&#039;m reading on Wiki (that paragon of scientific truth) that it&#039;s actually 380.

Watt&#039;s Up With That?

And what IS the actual number? (And what&#039;s the +/-?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen figures that list CO2 at 353 ppm and 360 ppm. Now I&#8217;m reading on Wiki (that paragon of scientific truth) that it&#8217;s actually 380.</p>
<p>Watt&#8217;s Up With That?</p>
<p>And what IS the actual number? (And what&#8217;s the +/-?)</p>
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		<title>By: davidcobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CO2 varies seasonaly depending on water temp and biotic influences. 
The reason CO2 is monitored in so few places is because Keeling had to search for years to find proper places to find global CO2 (per Scipts institute).
Anyplace else you measure it you get random noise at about 400 +/- 100 ppm that can vary 50ppm in seconds depending on wind direction.
Another thing that creeps me out is this quote from Scipts webpage &quot;dissatified with current instruments Keeling revived the 1916 model and modified it to suit his needs&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CO2 varies seasonaly depending on water temp and biotic influences.<br />
The reason CO2 is monitored in so few places is because Keeling had to search for years to find proper places to find global CO2 (per Scipts institute).<br />
Anyplace else you measure it you get random noise at about 400 +/- 100 ppm that can vary 50ppm in seconds depending on wind direction.<br />
Another thing that creeps me out is this quote from Scipts webpage &#8220;dissatified with current instruments Keeling revived the 1916 model and modified it to suit his needs&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the C02 amount fluctuate on a yearly basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the C02 amount fluctuate on a yearly basis?</p>
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		<title>By: dscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I find the seasonal cycling of the CO2 of great interest.  You may want to look at this chart to see it more clearly: http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Reaction_to_AP_Story_on.doc Note the annual June peak and the Sept/Oct bottom out of the cycling.  You should then compare this with the ice cover in the Northern Hemisphere: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg   Very interesting similarity with a 45 day to 60 day lag.  Here is the main website for Cyrosphere Today: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/index.shade.html  

My take on this is as ice cover decreases over the arctric during the summer time, more water surface area is exposed to dissolve the CO2.  Note that the Southern Hemisphere runs in reverse with ice cover naturally, however the seasonal &quot;variation&quot; melting is vastly larger.  As a consequence, Global Sea Ice coverage (North and South combined) peaks during the Northern Winter and troughs around spring time.  So one might say, that due to the Southern Ice coverage and North spring growth of plants, CO2 is pulled out of the atmosphere at a phenominal rate.  Given this amount of CO2 uptake, the claim mankind has anything to do with this is just absurd. The amount of CO2 in the air is largely dependent on the surface water temperature and ice coverage and both of these are directly influenced by the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I find the seasonal cycling of the CO2 of great interest.  You may want to look at this chart to see it more clearly: <a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Reaction_to_AP_Story_on.doc" rel="nofollow">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Reaction_to_AP_Story_on.doc</a> Note the annual June peak and the Sept/Oct bottom out of the cycling.  You should then compare this with the ice cover in the Northern Hemisphere: <a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg</a>   Very interesting similarity with a 45 day to 60 day lag.  Here is the main website for Cyrosphere Today: <a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/index.shade.html" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/index.shade.html</a>  </p>
<p>My take on this is as ice cover decreases over the arctric during the summer time, more water surface area is exposed to dissolve the CO2.  Note that the Southern Hemisphere runs in reverse with ice cover naturally, however the seasonal &#8220;variation&#8221; melting is vastly larger.  As a consequence, Global Sea Ice coverage (North and South combined) peaks during the Northern Winter and troughs around spring time.  So one might say, that due to the Southern Ice coverage and North spring growth of plants, CO2 is pulled out of the atmosphere at a phenominal rate.  Given this amount of CO2 uptake, the claim mankind has anything to do with this is just absurd. The amount of CO2 in the air is largely dependent on the surface water temperature and ice coverage and both of these are directly influenced by the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: brad tittl</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad tittl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It saddens me to see charts that are Zoomed. It is always good for eye candy, but is usually a sign that someone is obfuscating something. 

I agree with everything in the essay, but I get nervous when people who are smarter than I engage in deception even by accident. 

The above charts can be blamed on Excel. By default it makes charts that look like this. 

brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It saddens me to see charts that are Zoomed. It is always good for eye candy, but is usually a sign that someone is obfuscating something. </p>
<p>I agree with everything in the essay, but I get nervous when people who are smarter than I engage in deception even by accident. </p>
<p>The above charts can be blamed on Excel. By default it makes charts that look like this. </p>
<p>brad</p>
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		<title>By: marketinghelper</title>
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		<dc:creator>marketinghelper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is some great info.  It confused me at first but I picked up on it very quickly.  I think it only confused me because it is early in the morning haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is some great info.  It confused me at first but I picked up on it very quickly.  I think it only confused me because it is early in the morning haha.</p>
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