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		<title>By: Less Cost to Do Nothing about Global Warming &#171; Midwestern Political Observations Plus</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-38064</link>
		<dc:creator>Less Cost to Do Nothing about Global Warming &#171; Midwestern Political Observations Plus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: solar sunspots</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-16694</link>
		<dc:creator>solar sunspots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the sun??s activity is slowing. One thing is certain, if the suns magnetic activity slows, or collahttp://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/Scientists Issue Unprecedented Forecast of Next Sunspot Cycle ...Mar 6, 2006 ... The forecasts are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the sun??s activity is slowing. One thing is certain, if the suns magnetic activity slows, or collahttp://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/Scientists Issue Unprecedented Forecast of Next Sunspot Cycle &#8230;Mar 6, 2006 &#8230; The forecasts are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: j. Toothman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-3386</link>
		<dc:creator>j. Toothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never tought that man had the effect that was being claimed. Finally the http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8 This is a good read.. About time they spoke out.
jt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never tought that man had the effect that was being claimed. Finally the <a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8" rel="nofollow">http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8</a> This is a good read.. About time they spoke out.<br />
jt</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2287</link>
		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are the man.</description>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2280</link>
		<dc:creator>wattsupwiththat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin, 

Thanks, but I run that effort as well as this blog, perhaps you didn&#039;t know, so no worries.

Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin, </p>
<p>Thanks, but I run that effort as well as this blog, perhaps you didn&#8217;t know, so no worries.</p>
<p>Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2279</link>
		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know how familiar you all are with this effort. 

Some interesting information that many of the USA weather stations are suffering from heat island corruption due to creeping urbanization and poor sites. 

http://www.surfacestations.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know how familiar you all are with this effort. </p>
<p>Some interesting information that many of the USA weather stations are suffering from heat island corruption due to creeping urbanization and poor sites. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.surfacestations.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.surfacestations.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed, I am concerned with the group think that is setting in, whereby (and this is truely Orwellian) cold is good and warm is bad&quot;

Warming GOOD. Cooling BAD. 

So let&#039;s get the word out to the sheep, already, comrade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, I am concerned with the group think that is setting in, whereby (and this is truely Orwellian) cold is good and warm is bad&#8221;</p>
<p>Warming GOOD. Cooling BAD. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s get the word out to the sheep, already, comrade!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The AGW hysterics argue that AGW overcomes all such future minima and even prevents the looming end of the interglacial (or at very least, substantially delays it). &quot;

Well, let&#039;s damnwell hope so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The AGW hysterics argue that AGW overcomes all such future minima and even prevents the looming end of the interglacial (or at very least, substantially delays it). &#8221;</p>
<p>Well, let&#8217;s damnwell hope so!</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I get my Svens mixed up? - oh never mind.
I found a guy who has been monitoring the Sun - think he it&#039;s his hobby - and he posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.iomastronomy.org/blog/_archives/2007/8/15/3160583.html#attachments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no spots&lt;/a&gt; since Aug 9th. 
I happened on him by google. He isn&#039;t political.  Just a dedicated amateur logging what he sees.
Take a look around his blog  to see what I mean.
I find him credible.
So instead of the Sun going &quot;quiet&quot; on Oct 5th, it&#039;s really been since Aug 9th.
Thought you might like to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I get my Svens mixed up? &#8211; oh never mind.<br />
I found a guy who has been monitoring the Sun &#8211; think he it&#8217;s his hobby &#8211; and he posted <a href="http://blog.iomastronomy.org/blog/_archives/2007/8/15/3160583.html#attachments" rel="nofollow">no spots</a> since Aug 9th.<br />
I happened on him by google. He isn&#8217;t political.  Just a dedicated amateur logging what he sees.<br />
Take a look around his blog  to see what I mean.<br />
I find him credible.<br />
So instead of the Sun going &#8220;quiet&#8221; on Oct 5th, it&#8217;s really been since Aug 9th.<br />
Thought you might like to know.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Vixt&#039;s link
This &lt;a href=&quot;http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/solar-cycle-24/#comment-7093&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt; features Leif Svalgaard discussing how he  predicts the coming solar cycle.  In at the bottom twenty comments or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Vixt&#8217;s link<br />
This <a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/solar-cycle-24/#comment-7093" rel="nofollow">thread</a> features Leif Svalgaard discussing how he  predicts the coming solar cycle.  In at the bottom twenty comments or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vixt

If you go by them ten-year averages, you can produce an upswing. But if you just go year by year, the temp. has been pretty darn flat over the last decade, in spite of a c. 5% increase in atm. CO2.

And that&#039;s stipulating that the measurements are on the beam, which I am not willing to concede.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vixt</p>
<p>If you go by them ten-year averages, you can produce an upswing. But if you just go year by year, the temp. has been pretty darn flat over the last decade, in spite of a c. 5% increase in atm. CO2.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s stipulating that the measurements are on the beam, which I am not willing to concede.</p>
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		<title>By: Vixt</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2144</link>
		<dc:creator>Vixt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of interesting things here on this blog and I find it an easier read than many. 

On the cosmic rays, you should see this blog http://tamino.wordpress.com

He is saying its all &quot;bunkum&quot; and people are fooling themselves and that the temperature trend from 1998 continues to go up.

But wasn&#039;t the temperature trend recently adjusted by NASA after 1998 due to some sort of error and now the temps aren&#039;t trending positive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of interesting things here on this blog and I find it an easier read than many. </p>
<p>On the cosmic rays, you should see this blog <a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>He is saying its all &#8220;bunkum&#8221; and people are fooling themselves and that the temperature trend from 1998 continues to go up.</p>
<p>But wasn&#8217;t the temperature trend recently adjusted by NASA after 1998 due to some sort of error and now the temps aren&#8217;t trending positive?</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rev Anthony,

So given the lag between changes in the sun and responce by the Earth, what is your prediction for this winter? 
I am guessing we get above average rainfall with at least a day or two of snow all the way down to the valley floor. 
Am I off the mark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rev Anthony,</p>
<p>So given the lag between changes in the sun and responce by the Earth, what is your prediction for this winter?<br />
I am guessing we get above average rainfall with at least a day or two of snow all the way down to the valley floor.<br />
Am I off the mark?</p>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>wattsupwiththat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got this email from Philip Goode:

&lt;i&gt;Still in business.  Now with a robotic telescope.  We calibrated a second robot next to the first.

The Second robot will be exported to the Canaries fairly soon.
Thanks for your interest,
Phil&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got this email from Philip Goode:</p>
<p><i>Still in business.  Now with a robotic telescope.  We calibrated a second robot next to the first.</p>
<p>The Second robot will be exported to the Canaries fairly soon.<br />
Thanks for your interest,<br />
Phil</i></p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Link List</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Link List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering when was the last time that the sun was quiet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering when was the last time that the sun was quiet?</p>
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		<title>By: English Major</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>English Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this site a couple of days ago, and, while I have to admit I don&#039;t understand much of what is said, I find it fascinating. The math/science part of my brain emits a low hum, but doesn&#039;t process much, so I&#039;ll just listen quietly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site a couple of days ago, and, while I have to admit I don&#8217;t understand much of what is said, I find it fascinating. The math/science part of my brain emits a low hum, but doesn&#8217;t process much, so I&#8217;ll just listen quietly.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveSadlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I am concerned with the group think that is setting in, whereby (and this is truely Orwellian) cold is good and warm is bad, compounded by absolute blindness to the possibility of futures, especially longer term ones, which are actually cold futures. Firstly another Maunderesque minimum is inevitable at some point. The AGW hysterics argue that AGW overcomes all such future minima and even prevents the looming end of the interglacial (or at very least, substantially delays it). I&#039;ll tell you what, I have a bridge to sell you and it is not the London Bridge! A huge effort is getting put into motion to prepare for reputed negative side effects of a warm (make that, a bad warm) future. Furthermore, aspects of such efforts will lower the partial pressure of CO2 and the general level of thermal dissipation at and near the Earth&#039;s surface. It&#039;s like a person overcorrecting in reaction to starting to spin out while driving - very bad things may happen. Imagine a perfect storm - a Maunderesque minimum and its proximate (very, very bad!) effects, then, the impacts of sequestration and UHI reduction / energy reduction methodologies kick in. Right when plant activity is lowering due to the innate minimum, CO2 starts to go down. Sorrry for worrying about such mundane things. After all, it&#039;s only our source of oxygen we are talking about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I am concerned with the group think that is setting in, whereby (and this is truely Orwellian) cold is good and warm is bad, compounded by absolute blindness to the possibility of futures, especially longer term ones, which are actually cold futures. Firstly another Maunderesque minimum is inevitable at some point. The AGW hysterics argue that AGW overcomes all such future minima and even prevents the looming end of the interglacial (or at very least, substantially delays it). I&#8217;ll tell you what, I have a bridge to sell you and it is not the London Bridge! A huge effort is getting put into motion to prepare for reputed negative side effects of a warm (make that, a bad warm) future. Furthermore, aspects of such efforts will lower the partial pressure of CO2 and the general level of thermal dissipation at and near the Earth&#8217;s surface. It&#8217;s like a person overcorrecting in reaction to starting to spin out while driving &#8211; very bad things may happen. Imagine a perfect storm &#8211; a Maunderesque minimum and its proximate (very, very bad!) effects, then, the impacts of sequestration and UHI reduction / energy reduction methodologies kick in. Right when plant activity is lowering due to the innate minimum, CO2 starts to go down. Sorrry for worrying about such mundane things. After all, it&#8217;s only our source of oxygen we are talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill F</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/15/all-quiet-alert/#comment-2093</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George M,

I think you are confusing the terms &quot;average&quot; and &quot;median&quot;.  The average of a population of data points is the sum of all the data points divided by the number of data points.  Thus if you have a few exceptionally high values and a bunch of low values, the average will be skewed upward because of how far the exceptionally high points deviate from what is normal.  If you graphed that population and drew a line through the average, most of the graph would appear to be below average.  It also depends on the period from which you calculate the average.  If you draw the average from a smaller period than the whole population, for instance using the 1961-1990 period for a temperature average instead of 1900-2007, then it is also possible to get a graph with the majority of the graph on one side or the other of the average, depending on how representative of the whole population the period chosen to calculate the average was.

The median of a population by contrast is the point at which half of the data points are above and half of the points are below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George M,</p>
<p>I think you are confusing the terms &#8220;average&#8221; and &#8220;median&#8221;.  The average of a population of data points is the sum of all the data points divided by the number of data points.  Thus if you have a few exceptionally high values and a bunch of low values, the average will be skewed upward because of how far the exceptionally high points deviate from what is normal.  If you graphed that population and drew a line through the average, most of the graph would appear to be below average.  It also depends on the period from which you calculate the average.  If you draw the average from a smaller period than the whole population, for instance using the 1961-1990 period for a temperature average instead of 1900-2007, then it is also possible to get a graph with the majority of the graph on one side or the other of the average, depending on how representative of the whole population the period chosen to calculate the average was.</p>
<p>The median of a population by contrast is the point at which half of the data points are above and half of the points are below.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s afraid we may be heading for a cooling while preparing for a warming, which is a true cruising-for-a-bruising scenario.

I&#039;d say the odds were heavily against it (as, no doubt, would Steve), but &quot;heavily against&quot; is a very relative term hereabouts. It could be 10%. It could be 0.0001% . . .

Of course, it&#039;s human nature to emotionally regard any chance under 10% as the equivalent of 10%. (As in the 10% change of winning the lottery, getting struck by lightning, etc., etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s afraid we may be heading for a cooling while preparing for a warming, which is a true cruising-for-a-bruising scenario.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the odds were heavily against it (as, no doubt, would Steve), but &#8220;heavily against&#8221; is a very relative term hereabouts. It could be 10%. It could be 0.0001% . . .</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s human nature to emotionally regard any chance under 10% as the equivalent of 10%. (As in the 10% change of winning the lottery, getting struck by lightning, etc., etc.)</p>
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