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	<title>Comments on: California Climate, PDO, LOD, and Sunspot Departure</title>
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		<title>By: mia</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-60788</link>
		<dc:creator>mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did it snow in Sacramento winter 1976?</description>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, what you&#039;ve proposed is something everyone working in the field has noted and never published mainly because it is not possible to sustain that scientifically. There&#039;s even people who already noted that the LOD is connected to PDO and then with the salmon variability... However what you have to know if even if there&#039;s a relationship between LOD and AAM, this true relationship is replaced by the mantle core exchange of angular momentum at lower frecquencies, therefore at longer periods i.e., more than  20 years. Therefore the relationship between the LOD and the surface temperature is only a mere coincidence or you have then to imagine that the mantle core exchange of angular momentum is influencing climate. Instead others has proposed that the solar dynamo is influencing the earth dynamo, and that solar activity is influencing climate and therefore the fact that LOD and PDO are so close together means that both are a confirmation of the two influences...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, what you&#8217;ve proposed is something everyone working in the field has noted and never published mainly because it is not possible to sustain that scientifically. There&#8217;s even people who already noted that the LOD is connected to PDO and then with the salmon variability&#8230; However what you have to know if even if there&#8217;s a relationship between LOD and AAM, this true relationship is replaced by the mantle core exchange of angular momentum at lower frecquencies, therefore at longer periods i.e., more than  20 years. Therefore the relationship between the LOD and the surface temperature is only a mere coincidence or you have then to imagine that the mantle core exchange of angular momentum is influencing climate. Instead others has proposed that the solar dynamo is influencing the earth dynamo, and that solar activity is influencing climate and therefore the fact that LOD and PDO are so close together means that both are a confirmation of the two influences&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warming Trend: PDO And Solar Correlate Better Than CO2 &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-4517</link>
		<dc:creator>Warming Trend: PDO And Solar Correlate Better Than CO2 &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PDO and TSI to surface temperature connection has also been pointed out in previous post I made here, for former California State Climatologist, Jim Goodridge. PDO affects the USA more than the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PDO and TSI to surface temperature connection has also been pointed out in previous post I made here, for former California State Climatologist, Jim Goodridge. PDO affects the USA more than the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guest Weblog: CO2 variation by Jim Goodridge, former California State Climatologist &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Weblog: CO2 variation by Jim Goodridge, former California State Climatologist &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guest Weblog: CO2 variation by Jim Goodridge, former California State&#160;Climatologist  4 11 2007   Moderators note: This is reposted from an essay that Jim sent to me. Jim was the State Climatologist for California for many years, and still does consilting work for the Californiua Dept. of Water Resources on rainfall studies. Jim has a command of simplicity in presentation, as you&#8217;ll read below. Jim&#8217;s presentation lends some insight into why CO2 increases lag temperature in historical and proxy climate records. Jim has also done another essay I&#8217;ve posted which relates The Pacific Decadal Oscillation, Sunspots, and Length of Day variances to rainfall patterns in California which you can read here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Guest Weblog: CO2 variation by Jim Goodridge, former California State&nbsp;Climatologist  4 11 2007   Moderators note: This is reposted from an essay that Jim sent to me. Jim was the State Climatologist for California for many years, and still does consilting work for the Californiua Dept. of Water Resources on rainfall studies. Jim has a command of simplicity in presentation, as you&#8217;ll read below. Jim&#8217;s presentation lends some insight into why CO2 increases lag temperature in historical and proxy climate records. Jim has also done another essay I&#8217;ve posted which relates The Pacific Decadal Oscillation, Sunspots, and Length of Day variances to rainfall patterns in California which you can read here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sqconnect &#187; Blog Archive &#187; California Climate, PDO, LOD, and Sunspot Departure</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>sqconnect &#187; Blog Archive &#187; California Climate, PDO, LOD, and Sunspot Departure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noted with interest the plot of the atmospheric angular momentum index, and the description of it defining the relationship between east/west winds and north/south winds. The index shows a dramatic drop since the 1970s, with the implication that north/south winds have increased significantly during that time.

If I have interpreted this correctly, this has some interesting ramifications. Increased north/south winds imply more mixing of tropical, temperate, and polar regions, and this got me thinking again about something I have wondered about for a while -- to wit:

Since the radiative power is proportional to the fourth power of absolute temperature, for the same mean temperature, the less the variation of temperature (e.g. between the tropics and the polar regions), the less total power is radiated away. Put another way, for the same power radiated away, the mean temperature must be higher if the variation is lower.

A simple example illustrates the concept and gives an idea of the order of magnitude of the effect. Split the earth into two zones of equal area: tropical and non-tropical. The tropical area has a temperature of 300K (~27C), and the non-tropical area has a temperature of 280K (~7C). If the mixing were improved (as by increased north/south winds) so that the tropical temperature were reduced to 299K and the non-tropical temperature were increased to 281K, the net radiated power would be reduced by a fraction of a percent.

This would cause the total temperature to increase until the net radiative power again balanced the incoming solar power. In this very simple example, the mean temperature would have to increase a full 0.1K to radiate this same amount of power with a spread of 18K instead of 20K. (I was surprised when I crunched the numbers how big this value was.)

Given that by all accounts we are seeing this reduced differential between tropical and polar temperatures of about this magnitude, I wonder how much of the increase in &quot;global mean temperature&quot; could be ascribed to this effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noted with interest the plot of the atmospheric angular momentum index, and the description of it defining the relationship between east/west winds and north/south winds. The index shows a dramatic drop since the 1970s, with the implication that north/south winds have increased significantly during that time.</p>
<p>If I have interpreted this correctly, this has some interesting ramifications. Increased north/south winds imply more mixing of tropical, temperate, and polar regions, and this got me thinking again about something I have wondered about for a while &#8212; to wit:</p>
<p>Since the radiative power is proportional to the fourth power of absolute temperature, for the same mean temperature, the less the variation of temperature (e.g. between the tropics and the polar regions), the less total power is radiated away. Put another way, for the same power radiated away, the mean temperature must be higher if the variation is lower.</p>
<p>A simple example illustrates the concept and gives an idea of the order of magnitude of the effect. Split the earth into two zones of equal area: tropical and non-tropical. The tropical area has a temperature of 300K (~27C), and the non-tropical area has a temperature of 280K (~7C). If the mixing were improved (as by increased north/south winds) so that the tropical temperature were reduced to 299K and the non-tropical temperature were increased to 281K, the net radiated power would be reduced by a fraction of a percent.</p>
<p>This would cause the total temperature to increase until the net radiative power again balanced the incoming solar power. In this very simple example, the mean temperature would have to increase a full 0.1K to radiate this same amount of power with a spread of 18K instead of 20K. (I was surprised when I crunched the numbers how big this value was.)</p>
<p>Given that by all accounts we are seeing this reduced differential between tropical and polar temperatures of about this magnitude, I wonder how much of the increase in &#8220;global mean temperature&#8221; could be ascribed to this effect.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveSadlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid (40 years ago) generally speaking, weather in Central California was warmer and less active. In particular, the old stereotype about spring and fall having the truly warm weather (I&#039;m near coastal in location) and the summer having the coastal stratus and onshore with a few good interior outbreaks, and then, a somewhat mild winter with probably about 10 or 11 storm systems. Very average rainfall. Dry from April until November. 

It would seem that slowly but surely, after a minor hiatus in the late 70s and 80s, climatic winter has lengthened, especially at the tail end. Especially since the mid 90s. Summers don&#039;t seem to have quite as many interior outbreaks and more onshore push. Falls are far more variable, with about one in four being OK and the rest early and unseasonably wet. Winters and even Springs seem to have more serious cold cP outbreaks. For example, after the low elevation snow event of 1976, there was absolutely nada through the rest of the 70s, through the 80s and into the mid 90s. We did have that really bad (dry) freeze late Dec &#039;90 - early Jan &#039;91. But that was about it. Then suddenly, after the &#039;97-&#039;98 El Nino, everything changed and it seems that the capability for there to be more frequent serious low elevation snow events, and other cold episodes, was unleashed. We had the sea level snow event on Dec 20, 1998, and then a bad freeze into the New Year. Low snow in Feb 2000. I think there was one in winter 2003 - 04 but may be mistaken on that one. Very early mountain snow in the high country Oct 2004 and a couple good low elevation snow events (to sea level) Feb - Mar 2005. Repeat of that Feb - Mar 2006. Then, although a dry winter overall, 2006 - 2007 obviously was disasterous in terms of cold, especially the record breaking Jan 2007 Great Freeze. 

Bottom line, weather has gone downhill over the past 10 years. It is colder, more biased toward abnormally high rainfall, and generally more &quot;northern.&quot; I&#039;ll stick my neck out and call it a climate shift, and not the type that Al Gore wants to talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid (40 years ago) generally speaking, weather in Central California was warmer and less active. In particular, the old stereotype about spring and fall having the truly warm weather (I&#8217;m near coastal in location) and the summer having the coastal stratus and onshore with a few good interior outbreaks, and then, a somewhat mild winter with probably about 10 or 11 storm systems. Very average rainfall. Dry from April until November. </p>
<p>It would seem that slowly but surely, after a minor hiatus in the late 70s and 80s, climatic winter has lengthened, especially at the tail end. Especially since the mid 90s. Summers don&#8217;t seem to have quite as many interior outbreaks and more onshore push. Falls are far more variable, with about one in four being OK and the rest early and unseasonably wet. Winters and even Springs seem to have more serious cold cP outbreaks. For example, after the low elevation snow event of 1976, there was absolutely nada through the rest of the 70s, through the 80s and into the mid 90s. We did have that really bad (dry) freeze late Dec &#8216;90 &#8211; early Jan &#8216;91. But that was about it. Then suddenly, after the &#8216;97-&#8217;98 El Nino, everything changed and it seems that the capability for there to be more frequent serious low elevation snow events, and other cold episodes, was unleashed. We had the sea level snow event on Dec 20, 1998, and then a bad freeze into the New Year. Low snow in Feb 2000. I think there was one in winter 2003 &#8211; 04 but may be mistaken on that one. Very early mountain snow in the high country Oct 2004 and a couple good low elevation snow events (to sea level) Feb &#8211; Mar 2005. Repeat of that Feb &#8211; Mar 2006. Then, although a dry winter overall, 2006 &#8211; 2007 obviously was disasterous in terms of cold, especially the record breaking Jan 2007 Great Freeze. </p>
<p>Bottom line, weather has gone downhill over the past 10 years. It is colder, more biased toward abnormally high rainfall, and generally more &#8220;northern.&#8221; I&#8217;ll stick my neck out and call it a climate shift, and not the type that Al Gore wants to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1929</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does all this mean we wont all be roasting 12 months out of the year and lining up to buy Soylent Green in 2022 ??</description>
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		<title>By: Stan Needham</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1925</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, slightly OT, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/06/genetics.climatechange&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how cool is this&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, slightly OT, but <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/06/genetics.climatechange" rel="nofollow">how cool is this</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Needham</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, my; the interesting things you learn on blogs never ceases to amaze me.  I never knew there was such a thing as deviation in &lt;a href=&quot;http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa090797.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the length of a day&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, my; the interesting things you learn on blogs never ceases to amaze me.  I never knew there was such a thing as deviation in <a href="http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa090797.htm" rel="nofollow">the length of a day</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: CO2Breath</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>CO2Breath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Solar Cycle plot, the red &quot;annual&quot; line wouldappear to have more points than there are years. Is this curve more along the lines of monthly/weekly values of the last 365.25 days of data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Solar Cycle plot, the red &#8220;annual&#8221; line wouldappear to have more points than there are years. Is this curve more along the lines of monthly/weekly values of the last 365.25 days of data?</p>
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		<title>By: Cr Bruce McCallum.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Cr Bruce McCallum.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been studying Climate Change for over 50 years,and my conclusions correspond so close to yours it is hair raising,these climate changes have been swinging from Global Warming to Global Cooling at intervals very close to your calculations,and it has been occurring for Millions of years,and I am not a Scientist or any kind of whizkid,I am an ordinary Motor Mechanic,using only the Common Sense given to me by the Good Lord,I thank you for this very informative paper,Best Regards,Bruce McCallum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been studying Climate Change for over 50 years,and my conclusions correspond so close to yours it is hair raising,these climate changes have been swinging from Global Warming to Global Cooling at intervals very close to your calculations,and it has been occurring for Millions of years,and I am not a Scientist or any kind of whizkid,I am an ordinary Motor Mechanic,using only the Common Sense given to me by the Good Lord,I thank you for this very informative paper,Best Regards,Bruce McCallum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/07/california-climate-pdo-lod-and-sunspot-departure/#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only problem with comparing anything to average temp, how reliable is the CRU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem with comparing anything to average temp, how reliable is the CRU?</p>
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