Comments on: How not to measure temperature, part 5

By: Count Iblis

Count Iblis — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:17:06 +0000

Unless most of the weather stations are affected this is irrelevant. It isn’t even clear that the transformer would have a significant effect at all for this particular weather station.

Ten meters is pretty far away. Even if the wind were to blow the hot air in the direction of the weather station, it would still be a small effect.

Besides data from weather stations tere are other independent ways to measure global temperatures. There are satellites that can measure temperature. Also there are satellites that can measure sea levels. As the temperature of the oceans increase then, due to thermal expansion, the seal levels will rise.

By: Tes

Tes — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:28:52 +0000

Nice info on things but why try to fool people with that lame graph comparision. It clear shows Sac hotter then lodi but your tinkering of the range of temp on the left creates a image that fits your ideas

***REPLY That graph is from NASA GISS, not me.

By: Mike Nee

Mike Nee — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:25:51 +0000

Wadard, the graphs are of temperature, the pictures show thermometer shields, and at least one of those stations is the USHCN station. So it’s temperature.

I’ll take it for granted nobody’s making anything up. :)

Seriously, we want to make all the stations have good data, I think that’s the bottom line. And the scientific answer. What’s the point of using unreliable data?

We shouldn’t have to get a derived figure. Even if we knew there had been an accomodation for UHI (which we don’t) in most cases there shouldn’t have to be one in the first place.

The measurements need to be direct as possible. That makes them accurate. Once you have to start making changes, you never know if your calculations are accurate or your model(s) valid.

By: Leigh

Leigh — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:27:25 +0000

Your information about the deplorable way temperature is being measured went way over his head or else he chose to pretend to not notice just how meaningless the data from these stations is. Note how he is so ready to accept data that has been “adjusted”, something that the alarmists like to do as it is how they can dramatize the story.

How is it said, “there are none so blind as those who will not see”? I think that Stalin referred to them as “useful idiots”.

Keep up the good work.

By: Wadard

Wadard — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:16:51 +0000

It’s important to establish whether they measure temperature, or humidity?

I’d check if I knew how, but I am only familiar with the Australian BoM weather stations. From here they look like hygrometers.

By: Anthony Watts

Anthony Watts — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:33:40 +0000

If you can’t see how the local conditions at these sites could possibly affect temperature readings in these standard National Weather Service shelters, then there’s nothing that I could say to you, in “laymans terms” or otherwise that would shed any additional light on the subject for you.

By: Wadard

Wadard — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:48:05 +0000

I don’t understand what the problem is? You seem to have made a conclusion without presenting all the facts – are they measuring humidity or temperature or co2 ppm? If it is humidity then why is there a problem with location? Are you implying the measuring station was built before the power stations, and carpark, or after? If they are measuring temp how do you not know whether the data has been adjusted to accommodate for the UHI effect?

I write a blog tracking global warming news – if you can provide me with a layman’s explanation of what your issue is here – I would be happy to publish. If there is something in what you say, I’ll sus out the BoM sites in Australia to see whether similar conditions exist.

Check out Global Warming Watch

By: Geoffrey Allan Plauche

Geoffrey Allan Plauche — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:31:27 +0000

Anthony,

Could you create a category for these posts? It would really useful for linking to all of them at once.

Thanks for all the hard work!

By: Geoffrey Allan Plauche

Geoffrey Allan Plauche — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:27:17 +0000

Wow…just wow…the first picture is priceless, as is the commentary. Great find.