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		<title>By: A note to longtime readers of this blog - the demise of an old friend &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-36880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A note to longtime readers of this blog - the demise of an old friend &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is why Evan Jones (and others) refer to me as &#8220;The Rev&#8221;. It wasn&#8217;t the first time the Chico Beat published articles telling my town how wrong and misguided I am for doing this work. See also Beat Up [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is why Evan Jones (and others) refer to me as &#8220;The Rev&#8221;. It wasn&#8217;t the first time the Chico Beat published articles telling my town how wrong and misguided I am for doing this work. See also Beat Up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Theodoropoulos</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Theodoropoulos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please pardon a meta comment, but it hurts my &#039;ears&#039; to read it: your use of &#039;whom&#039; is grammatically incorrect in both places. You want &quot;who&quot;, not &quot;whom&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please pardon a meta comment, but it hurts my &#8216;ears&#8217; to read it: your use of &#8216;whom&#8217; is grammatically incorrect in both places. You want &#8220;who&#8221;, not &#8220;whom&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Greer</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Greer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that Mr. Chamberlain would ignore the summary of the article that he cited.  The authors clearly summarized their article thusly:

&quot;The surprising recent finding that living plants produce methane does not throw doubt on the cause of global warming. Human activities--not plants--are the source of the surge in this and other greenhouse gases&quot; [1]

Does this show a bias on his part?  Quite clearly.

[1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&amp;colID=1&amp;articleID=1367E15B-E7F2-99DF-346DBF33877B8596&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&amp;colID=1&amp;articleID=1367E15B-E7F2-99DF-346DBF33877B8596&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Mr. Chamberlain would ignore the summary of the article that he cited.  The authors clearly summarized their article thusly:</p>
<p>&#8220;The surprising recent finding that living plants produce methane does not throw doubt on the cause of global warming. Human activities&#8211;not plants&#8211;are the source of the surge in this and other greenhouse gases&#8221; [1]</p>
<p>Does this show a bias on his part?  Quite clearly.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&amp;colID=1&amp;articleID=1367E15B-E7F2-99DF-346DBF33877B8596" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&#038;colID=1&#038;articleID=1367E15B-E7F2-99DF-346DBF33877B8596</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Alan,

Interesting article. I think some climate modelers already knew this, because one of the paradoxes that emerged from certain models was the odd effect have having more trees at high northern latitudes.

The research was done right here in California at Lawrence Livermore Labs. You can read a summary here.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2005/NR-05-12-04.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2005/NR-05-12-04.html&lt;/a&gt;

Conventional wisdom says that a forest should make a cooler environment, and sequester carbon. But the model said was that more tree at that latitude made for a warmer atmosphere.

Of course that doesn&#039;t get talked about much in MSM.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,</p>
<p>Interesting article. I think some climate modelers already knew this, because one of the paradoxes that emerged from certain models was the odd effect have having more trees at high northern latitudes.</p>
<p>The research was done right here in California at Lawrence Livermore Labs. You can read a summary here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2005/NR-05-12-04.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.llnl.gov/pao/news/news_releases/2005/NR-05-12-04.html</a></p>
<p>Conventional wisdom says that a forest should make a cooler environment, and sequester carbon. But the model said was that more tree at that latitude made for a warmer atmosphere.</p>
<p>Of course that doesn&#8217;t get talked about much in MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Chamberlain</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Chamberlain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the February issue of Scientific American, Frank Keppler and Thomas Röckmann publish their findings on the natural production of methane by living plants.

Their discovery is surprising inasmuch as it contradicts centuries of scientific consensus that methane could only be produced through anaerobic processes.  What they found was that methane is in fact produced quite abundantly by terrestrial flora.

Methane, it should be noted, produces four times the greenhouse event per ton that carbon dioxide does.  But combustion of hydrocarbons does not produce methane, and so global warming activists have tended to ignore that particular inconvenient truth in their crusade against free enterprise.

If climate change is an artifact of greenhouse gas accumulation in the atmosphere, then clearly the most effective strategy for reversing this trend would be to mow the rain forests to grade level, saturate the soil with Round-Up, and cover the land with a strong layer of asphalt....


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the February issue of Scientific American, Frank Keppler and Thomas Röckmann publish their findings on the natural production of methane by living plants.</p>
<p>Their discovery is surprising inasmuch as it contradicts centuries of scientific consensus that methane could only be produced through anaerobic processes.  What they found was that methane is in fact produced quite abundantly by terrestrial flora.</p>
<p>Methane, it should be noted, produces four times the greenhouse event per ton that carbon dioxide does.  But combustion of hydrocarbons does not produce methane, and so global warming activists have tended to ignore that particular inconvenient truth in their crusade against free enterprise.</p>
<p>If climate change is an artifact of greenhouse gas accumulation in the atmosphere, then clearly the most effective strategy for reversing this trend would be to mow the rain forests to grade level, saturate the soil with Round-Up, and cover the land with a strong layer of asphalt&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Lee</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been having a debate with a seller of quack medical devices on my blog and it reminds me of what you are going through here with this global warming debate.

My argument comes down to this:  Theory is something that &quot;might&quot; be possible under certain circumstances.

Proof... as in proof via a scientfic formula produces an expected result when it&#039;s repeated, i.e., double blind studies.

Nowhere in science has man been &quot;proven&quot; to be the main cause for global warming, there is simply no evidence of this!  It&#039;s only a theory shared by a modest number of scientists, yet with the left&#039;s political bias we see theory touted as fact...its like their mantra.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having a debate with a seller of quack medical devices on my blog and it reminds me of what you are going through here with this global warming debate.</p>
<p>My argument comes down to this:  Theory is something that &#8220;might&#8221; be possible under certain circumstances.</p>
<p>Proof&#8230; as in proof via a scientfic formula produces an expected result when it&#8217;s repeated, i.e., double blind studies.</p>
<p>Nowhere in science has man been &#8220;proven&#8221; to be the main cause for global warming, there is simply no evidence of this!  It&#8217;s only a theory shared by a modest number of scientists, yet with the left&#8217;s political bias we see theory touted as fact&#8230;its like their mantra.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Miller</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep the faith, Anthony. This debate is far from over. Sure, the Global Warming bandwagon is overloaded and their volume is high. But there are growing numbers of scientists and average citizens out there that are finally realizing the difference between Global Warming and Climate Change.

Science is my religion. No, not scientology, SCIENCE. Let&#039;s make that clear...lol. I&#039;ve been a student of the physical sciences since the 9th grade. Even at my low level of understanding, I am only too aware that no theory is valid without peer review and proof. And the fact that there are two passionate camps on both sides of the issue is clear and compelling evidence that the science is not settled.

I don&#039;t pretend to know the cause of the obvious change to our climate. And until the scientific process is concluded (if ever), drawing any hard conclusions is just silly, IMHO.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the faith, Anthony. This debate is far from over. Sure, the Global Warming bandwagon is overloaded and their volume is high. But there are growing numbers of scientists and average citizens out there that are finally realizing the difference between Global Warming and Climate Change.</p>
<p>Science is my religion. No, not scientology, SCIENCE. Let&#8217;s make that clear&#8230;lol. I&#8217;ve been a student of the physical sciences since the 9th grade. Even at my low level of understanding, I am only too aware that no theory is valid without peer review and proof. And the fact that there are two passionate camps on both sides of the issue is clear and compelling evidence that the science is not settled.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to know the cause of the obvious change to our climate. And until the scientific process is concluded (if ever), drawing any hard conclusions is just silly, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;When people accept a theory as fact without conclusive evidence and attempt to silence opposing opinions it is not science any more. It’s politics!&lt;/i&gt;

Tom, Exactly right!

Anthony said: &lt;i&gt;I find it telling that those whom say &quot;the debate is over&quot; related to &quot;man made global warming&quot; just shut out anything or anybody that might have another view.&lt;/i&gt;

Clearly scientific PROOF means nothing...nor does doing what works.

&lt;i&gt;...in the editorial, I&#039;m said to be a victim of my own &quot;cultural bias&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

I wonder if they ever consider their own &quot;cultural (and political) bias.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When people accept a theory as fact without conclusive evidence and attempt to silence opposing opinions it is not science any more. It’s politics!</i></p>
<p>Tom, Exactly right!</p>
<p>Anthony said: <i>I find it telling that those whom say &#8220;the debate is over&#8221; related to &#8220;man made global warming&#8221; just shut out anything or anybody that might have another view.</i></p>
<p>Clearly scientific PROOF means nothing&#8230;nor does doing what works.</p>
<p><i>&#8230;in the editorial, I&#8217;m said to be a victim of my own &#8220;cultural bias&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>I wonder if they ever consider their own &#8220;cultural (and political) bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Tom, for me its all about getting the science right without political interference. I see so many more things that it could be besides or in addition to CO2, it seems folly to focus soley on CO2 alone.

If there wasn&#039;t so much money being thrown at global warming research, the &quot;consensus&quot; would be different. Even those that practice the scientific method know not to bite the hand that feeds them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tom, for me its all about getting the science right without political interference. I see so many more things that it could be besides or in addition to CO2, it seems folly to focus soley on CO2 alone.</p>
<p>If there wasn&#8217;t so much money being thrown at global warming research, the &#8220;consensus&#8221; would be different. Even those that practice the scientific method know not to bite the hand that feeds them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hall</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/03/16/beat-up/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the earth getting warmer? There is some evidence that indicates it is. Is man responsible? That is a theory. There is evidence that supports that conclusion and there is evidence that indicates it is a wrong conclusion. The bottom line is there isn’t conclusive evidence either way. Therefore it remains a theory.

When I tell people that support the theory that I am not convinced, it always amazes me that they take that to mean that either I don’t believe global warming is happening or I don’t believe that man is responsible. It doesn’t mean that at all. It means it is a theory and it remains a theory.

Theories are proposed as a basis for investigation and discussion. They should promote the exchange of ideas and promote investigations to prove or disprove them.  Were so many people not listening when they were taught the “Scientific Method”. When people accept a theory as fact without conclusive evidence and attempt to silence opposing opinions it is not science any more. It’s politics!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the earth getting warmer? There is some evidence that indicates it is. Is man responsible? That is a theory. There is evidence that supports that conclusion and there is evidence that indicates it is a wrong conclusion. The bottom line is there isn’t conclusive evidence either way. Therefore it remains a theory.</p>
<p>When I tell people that support the theory that I am not convinced, it always amazes me that they take that to mean that either I don’t believe global warming is happening or I don’t believe that man is responsible. It doesn’t mean that at all. It means it is a theory and it remains a theory.</p>
<p>Theories are proposed as a basis for investigation and discussion. They should promote the exchange of ideas and promote investigations to prove or disprove them.  Were so many people not listening when they were taught the “Scientific Method”. When people accept a theory as fact without conclusive evidence and attempt to silence opposing opinions it is not science any more. It’s politics!</p>
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