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	<title>Comments on: ER Outlook- Sustainability &#8211; My missing article</title>
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	<description>Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Stegmier</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-61743</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Stegmier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Rockford Michigan not sunny california and I installed 2Kw solar PV on my roof and below are my results.  I am now approching my second full year and project to produce the same amount of electricity. i feel it is worthwhile even here.

I am interested in the fact that PG&amp;E credits you at 4 times during peak time vis off peak. I&#039;ll certainly work to get that in Michigan because 44% of what I produce does go into the grid during peak load time.



Solar Energy Results 12-15-06 to 12-15-07	

Why did my wife and I install a 2K solar photovoltaic (PV) energy system* on our house? Because we feel strongly that we need to reduce our carbon footprint. We believe that the huge amount of industrial and human activity is causing GW/CC. We feel it is our responsibility.

From December 2006 to December 2007.

•	Our system produced 1,821 KWH of electricity.
•	Eliminated 1 ½ tons of CO2 gas.
•	22 ½ % of our electricity usage.
•	56 % of the 1,821 we used while 44 % was sent into the grid.
•	If our neighbors usage is similar to ours then our system is supplying 16 ½ % of their electricity. Pretty cool! Two for the price of one.

Because solar’s peak production is during the middle of the day we send the extra into the grid, I like to say to our neighbors. It is exciting to see the indicator arrow on the net- metering meter pointing towards the street indicating the grid is being fed our excess electricity. 

•	One of the beauties of solar is that the electricity doesn’t travel very far therefore 
      resulting in very little “line loss” 
•	Peak production coincides with Consumer’s peak summer loads created when many air conditioners are running. Helping reduce the peak requirement.
•	Solar emits no greenhouse gases.

Consumers Energy pays us at the same rate they charge for the electricity we send to the grid less the electricity distribution charge of $.026594 KWH.

I believe that we all should be willing to pay something extra for clean energy that results in healthier air to breath. While on bright sunny days the air seems clean and fresh but it has health damaging pollutants and particles in it. Solar creates none! Rain also washes some of the pollutants out of the air and into our streams and lakes resulting in mercury in fish and more acidity in lakes and the oceans.

If you are interested in seeing our system just give me a call.

Ps. Our home is located in a woods which undoubtedly reduces the amount of electricity we can produce. I estimate in an open area we might produce 50% more.

Bob Stegmier, 616-866-4769

*Eleven 208 watt solar PV panels, roof mounted and 1-SMA 2500 watt grid tied inverter.

** I also believe that AESs (alternate energy supply) like me should be compensated extra, similar to what Consumers Energy is. Consumers Energy is charging 24% extra for “Green” energy they sell.

*** The State of Michigan should establish some incentives to encourage solar energy investment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Rockford Michigan not sunny california and I installed 2Kw solar PV on my roof and below are my results.  I am now approching my second full year and project to produce the same amount of electricity. i feel it is worthwhile even here.</p>
<p>I am interested in the fact that PG&amp;E credits you at 4 times during peak time vis off peak. I&#8217;ll certainly work to get that in Michigan because 44% of what I produce does go into the grid during peak load time.</p>
<p>Solar Energy Results 12-15-06 to 12-15-07	</p>
<p>Why did my wife and I install a 2K solar photovoltaic (PV) energy system* on our house? Because we feel strongly that we need to reduce our carbon footprint. We believe that the huge amount of industrial and human activity is causing GW/CC. We feel it is our responsibility.</p>
<p>From December 2006 to December 2007.</p>
<p>•	Our system produced 1,821 KWH of electricity.<br />
•	Eliminated 1 ½ tons of CO2 gas.<br />
•	22 ½ % of our electricity usage.<br />
•	56 % of the 1,821 we used while 44 % was sent into the grid.<br />
•	If our neighbors usage is similar to ours then our system is supplying 16 ½ % of their electricity. Pretty cool! Two for the price of one.</p>
<p>Because solar’s peak production is during the middle of the day we send the extra into the grid, I like to say to our neighbors. It is exciting to see the indicator arrow on the net- metering meter pointing towards the street indicating the grid is being fed our excess electricity. </p>
<p>•	One of the beauties of solar is that the electricity doesn’t travel very far therefore<br />
      resulting in very little “line loss”<br />
•	Peak production coincides with Consumer’s peak summer loads created when many air conditioners are running. Helping reduce the peak requirement.<br />
•	Solar emits no greenhouse gases.</p>
<p>Consumers Energy pays us at the same rate they charge for the electricity we send to the grid less the electricity distribution charge of $.026594 KWH.</p>
<p>I believe that we all should be willing to pay something extra for clean energy that results in healthier air to breath. While on bright sunny days the air seems clean and fresh but it has health damaging pollutants and particles in it. Solar creates none! Rain also washes some of the pollutants out of the air and into our streams and lakes resulting in mercury in fish and more acidity in lakes and the oceans.</p>
<p>If you are interested in seeing our system just give me a call.</p>
<p>Ps. Our home is located in a woods which undoubtedly reduces the amount of electricity we can produce. I estimate in an open area we might produce 50% more.</p>
<p>Bob Stegmier, 616-866-4769</p>
<p>*Eleven 208 watt solar PV panels, roof mounted and 1-SMA 2500 watt grid tied inverter.</p>
<p>** I also believe that AESs (alternate energy supply) like me should be compensated extra, similar to what Consumers Energy is. Consumers Energy is charging 24% extra for “Green” energy they sell.</p>
<p>*** The State of Michigan should establish some incentives to encourage solar energy investment</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Sustainability&#8221; runs amok in my town of Chico &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-53892</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Sustainability&#8221; runs amok in my town of Chico &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of being one of the few people on the task force that actually walked the talk, as I had put solar on my home and a local school, plus I drive an electric car (though I&#8217;ve since upgraded to a newer model [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of being one of the few people on the task force that actually walked the talk, as I had put solar on my home and a local school, plus I drive an electric car (though I&#8217;ve since upgraded to a newer model [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What I&#8217;ve been up to: electrifying my ride &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-14352</link>
		<dc:creator>What I&#8217;ve been up to: electrifying my ride &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first week. Of course this sort of energy efficiency isn&#8217;t anything new for me, since I put solar on my home, and on one of the local schools when I was a trustee. But never mind that, I&#8217;m still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first week. Of course this sort of energy efficiency isn&#8217;t anything new for me, since I put solar on my home, and on one of the local schools when I was a trustee. But never mind that, I&#8217;m still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thecanvasgrey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-9184</link>
		<dc:creator>thecanvasgrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for providing this information. I&#039;ve just started a search as we anticipate replacing our furnace, A/C and roof over the next two years.  This was great information to have as we make our decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing this information. I&#8217;ve just started a search as we anticipate replacing our furnace, A/C and roof over the next two years.  This was great information to have as we make our decision.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-8303</link>
		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, I know its a bit rude to ask how much something cost, but in the interest of science can you tell us the installed cost of the 10Kw system?

Of course you are entirely within your rights to say it is none of my business and I certainly respect your right to privacy.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; It was about $70K installed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, I know its a bit rude to ask how much something cost, but in the interest of science can you tell us the installed cost of the 10Kw system?</p>
<p>Of course you are entirely within your rights to say it is none of my business and I certainly respect your right to privacy.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> It was about $70K installed</p>
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		<title>By: EnvBioStudent</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>EnvBioStudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article but shouldn&#039;t you reference your sources ???...
ie the
&quot;It is in fact an attempt to provide the best outcomes for both humans and natural environments for the immediate time and the indefinite future.&quot; bit ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article but shouldn&#8217;t you reference your sources ???&#8230;<br />
ie the<br />
&#8220;It is in fact an attempt to provide the best outcomes for both humans and natural environments for the immediate time and the indefinite future.&#8221; bit &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Barrett</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

Loved your article, too bad it got lost. FYI and EEI (everyone else&#039;s information) the rebate system is now in the hands or the utility providers in the State. The CEC doesn&#039;t not handle solar rebates for existing buildings only new construction per the requirements of the California Solar Initiative. So anyone looking to add solar should contact their utility and start the process that the utility companies have set up.

A requirement before you can add solar is that you must have an energy audit. Anthony Watts I know you know that negawatts are much cheaper than solarwatts (sorry I had to say that), but there is no requirement to do anything the energy audit finds like replacing a typically oversized inefficient AC unit or inefficient refrigerator or get rid of the second refrigerator in the garage or dealing with all the extra phantom loads we all seem to be accumulating these days.

So in the interest of your readers, you should be referring them to their local utility company for information on rebates for installing solar systems on existing buildings. BTW solar is up on the agenda of the Redding City Council tonight.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>Loved your article, too bad it got lost. FYI and EEI (everyone else&#8217;s information) the rebate system is now in the hands or the utility providers in the State. The CEC doesn&#8217;t not handle solar rebates for existing buildings only new construction per the requirements of the California Solar Initiative. So anyone looking to add solar should contact their utility and start the process that the utility companies have set up.</p>
<p>A requirement before you can add solar is that you must have an energy audit. Anthony Watts I know you know that negawatts are much cheaper than solarwatts (sorry I had to say that), but there is no requirement to do anything the energy audit finds like replacing a typically oversized inefficient AC unit or inefficient refrigerator or get rid of the second refrigerator in the garage or dealing with all the extra phantom loads we all seem to be accumulating these days.</p>
<p>So in the interest of your readers, you should be referring them to their local utility company for information on rebates for installing solar systems on existing buildings. BTW solar is up on the agenda of the Redding City Council tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/02/28/er-outlook-sustainability-my-missing-article/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony...this is an excellent example of what happens when you just trust people to do the right thing...and stand back to watch the entrepreneurs and geniuses solve REAL problems. This &quot;trend&quot; and others will blossom as long as they work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony&#8230;this is an excellent example of what happens when you just trust people to do the right thing&#8230;and stand back to watch the entrepreneurs and geniuses solve REAL problems. This &#8220;trend&#8221; and others will blossom as long as they work.</p>
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